Originally posted by A Spy!:

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

but especially heavy. hes slow easy to hit and hard for him to track a good scout

I've got an idea for rebalancing the ridiculous overheal potential of the Boston Bulldog.

Damage vulnerability while overhealed.

This way, Scouts have a much harder time maintaining that overheal in the first place, making them easier to take out, even while they have stupid crazy overheal. One Scout that killed me had 223 HP. That ain't right without some other nerf.

I think it's the fact that it's current nerfs are negligible
I say NO healing from packs and 90% less healing from beams

A scout who can practically only rely on his own damage output for heals
Is a major change from
A scout that gets a slight bit less healing from stuff and gets good healing from damage output

Originally posted by sqwid:

Minor change while I was doing my "project" but I noticed that the Support Wrench has an "does not extend Amplifier or Repair Node range" attribute. Since that's not in the game currently, I think it should be removed...for now...

I brought that up a few months back. For some reason crafting told me why the removed the buildings, but he didn't actually remove this stat.

Originally posted by sqwid:

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

You litterally made the hole puncher worse.
It does the same dmg at range (about maybe like 3 less damage it feels?)
And now it feels unfun to use since it fires fucking bolts.
If your gunna make it fire bolts it at least needs some more shots.

I haven't played with the new Hole Puncher, but the old one I remember was too powerful with the Gunslinger. The clip size and reload speed didn't matter because you could usually deal enough damage to kill someone with one or two shots, so honestly I'm glad that it was sort of nerfed.

Unless they did change the projectile type from hitscan to projectile, then I'd like that reverted.

They did that to fix the problem with it having unusually higher damage at longer ranges

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

I figured out why hole puncher does 20 dmg from across the map.
Random bullet spread fires 1 shot STRAIGHT down the middle and the REST spread.
so if your tracking properly atleast that 1 shot should hit.
I think.

No.
If that was the problem, it wouldn't feel more powerful than stock, since both of them are affected by it.

Decides, it still maintains it's power in consecutive shots

Originally posted by Kafhet Thrynity:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

It does that to get uber faster.
So it's useless with something that doesn't use uber

use it with the tank, so you don't spend ubercharge on ennemies at all and keep a 99% uber damage boost ^^

That's only 2 items that benefit from using energy bar.
There are 5 that benefit from uber bar.

And again, we can just have it in two versions

Originally posted by Biggest Boss:

Doesnt the oathbreaker consume uber when hitting an enemy?

It does that to get uber faster.
So it's useless with something that doesn't use uber

Originally posted by Biggest Boss:

Think of it this way,atleast you can use items that consume uber without losing your shield charge.

One item does that.
One.
Compared to the 4 that boost uber gain.

Make 4 weapons useless or make 1 weapon less effective?

Originally posted by AwesomeGuyDj:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

Telling me the INTENDED value, believe it or not, doesn't fix the bug.

"Slightly" slower. You make me laugh

"No way to tie uber to shield."
Then you say "we have a custom attribute to use shield as uber."
You're sending me mixed messages.

Put it in the uber, make it uber 50% slower, PROBLEM SOLVED!

Remove it's ability to impede enemy players movement also. That wasn't in the original shield, so it shouldn't be on this one.

In case im being a dick, I'm having a shitty day being stuck in a classroom doing nothing for an hour after finishing my finals

I think an advantage of it being seperate is that you can use weapons that require you to sacrifice uber at no downside.

I have an idea. Could we make two versions of it?
One uses normal uber meter, so the survival year, ubersaw, vitasaw, oathbresker, etc actually help build uber.

While the second one uses the energy bar, to allow players to take advantage of the overdose and the keep that uses small amounts of uber as a speed buff, and... Oh. It looks like we only have 2 medic primary/Melee's that remove/rely on uber. And only one of them actually sacrifices uber
Compared to the half dozen we have that boost uber rate.

If you use the energy meter
The ubersaw is useless
The vitasaw is useless
The survival gear is mostly useless
The oathbreaker is useless

The overdose is more viable
The speed from uber melee is more viable

I think as a medic main and spending very much time into balancing, that you can trust me that uber is better

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by Loreknight:

The tank still as an inherent speed nerf while equipped, even at full health

The tank also is gaining it's uber much faster, only requiring APPROXIMATELY 500 health healed in order to fully charge the shield

I say that instead of only fixing the amount needed for the uber, we change the tank to use the uber bar instead of the retarded ass pathetic shield bar that can't be used in conjunction with ubersaw or other uber giving items

1) "-10% base move speed penalty"
So, yes.... you move slightly slower even at full health

2) I just tested it. It takes 1200 healing points to charge the energy meter

3a) There's no way at this time to tie the shield meter to the Uber meter. We do have a custom attribute that the uber is the shield. We changed it back to be healing based (as in the energy meter) because Medics were just running around using their sheild as a bug zapper (because the damage from the sheild is quite strong and can't be reduced).

3b) That's the main reason for the overall speed nerf with a base move speed penalty along with the lower health move speed penalty, so medic wouldn't be doing the "bug zapper" tactic.

Telling me the INTENDED value, believe it or not, doesn't fix the bug.

"Slightly" slower. You make me laugh

"No way to tie uber to shield."
Then you say "we have a custom attribute to use shield as uber."
You're sending me mixed messages.

Put it in the uber, make it uber 50% slower, PROBLEM SOLVED!

Remove it's ability to impede enemy players movement also. That wasn't in the original shield, so it shouldn't be on this one.

In case im being a dick, I'm having a shitty day being stuck in a classroom doing nothing for an hour after finishing my finals

The tank still as an inherent speed nerf while equipped, even at full health

The tank also is gaining it's uber much faster, only requiring APPROXIMATELY 500 health healed in order to fully charge the shield

I say that instead of only fixing the amount needed for the uber, we change the tank to use the uber bar instead of the retarded ass pathetic shield bar that can't be used in conjunction with ubersaw or other uber giving items