Originally posted by sqwid:

Originally posted by cTF2w DannyPlaysSomeGames:

I'm suprised you didn't mention the Old Reliable on this list. It's basically a turtle weapon, and turtle-supporting weapons are really awful. It's also downright OP due to the fact that the only downside can be countered with turtling, making it more of a nuisance.

Haven't used it yet but from the stats I don't find it too powerful looking. Sentry nests can still be taken down by Ubercharges and Demos/Soldiers. Not to mention the biggest buffs on it only apply to Spies, and even then Spies still seem like they can counter a lone Engi with this wrench.

It's still a turtle weapon, and now that you mention it, a bad one at that.

Originally posted by sqwid:

Alright so here's a big list of things I'd like changed from the current weapon list. This doesn't apply to donator's only weapons since I haven't had the chance to use any of them but I digress.

Scout
The Condiment Cannon

Off the bat this version of the weapon is both somewhat lackluster and yet on the other hand very powerful with a team. I know a lot of people are on the "this is so UP pls buff" train. But let's not forget that on hit the duration of each effect lasts for 10 seconds. So the first hit is going to guarantee you take mini-crits from all enemies for 10 seconds, making it a very powerful support weapon. It's less annoying now, but it's still pretty annoying that you're going to be taking 35% more damage from a single bullet hitting you for 10 seconds. So the first thing I'd like to suggest is instead of making the combo system the way it is, rearrange it so it does the less impactful thing first and THEN the more powerful debuffs later on. So make the combo system work kind of like this:

* 1st shot - Fire
* 2nd shot - Bleed
* 3rd shot - Milk
* 4th shot - Fire

That way the weapon can deal damage first and then if the next couple of hits are successful you get the milked and fire attribute as well.

Second thing I'd like to suggest is that the duration be changed to fit how far away the target is from the Scout. Since every shot from every distance is going to be 10 seconds, and the fact that first pellet is always going to be 100% accurate, it feels a little unfair to be hit with a debuff from across the map for 10 seconds by a Scout. I'd change it so that the further you are, the less the duration is (or maybe even make the duration only begin at a certain range like the Pomson does for Uber and cloak drain) and then have the duration scale up to around 8 seconds at close range.

Finally, I think to compensate for that change that the direct damage attribute should be removed and replaced with shots that deal at least some damage. I get that it's a support weapon, but so is the Sleeper, and it can still deal up to 150 damage at full charge. So yeah it summation, nerf the support this weapon has while buffing the offensive capabilities it brings to the table.

Melee Booster

Just think it needs a no random critical hits attribute to the melee since it can be boosted to one hit kill a Heavy, which is pretty dumb.

Slammer

Okay so this weapon is pretty good as a utility weapon, and the only downside you have while out is that you deal little damage with it out. Some type of damage vulnerability should balance it out like other utility melee weapons do (Escape Plan, Gloves of Running Urgently, etc)

Slugger's Face Off

Instead of making it luck based, which is what we're trying to really avoid in this mod, it should build up an evasiveness meter that when full makes the Scout invulnerable to damage for a certain amount of time or something similar to that regard. Any chance weapons are a no no.

Soldier
Battering Cannon

Personal choice, but I think the projectile speed penalty should be replaced with a damage penalty. It feels so unfun to play with this thing since the projectiles travel so slow, so I think trading up with damage while knocking back enemies would be fine.

Follower

Nothing about the stats, but I'd like to see the model at least be transparent since I can't see a damn thing with it and have to take viewmodels off to use it :V

Merasmus's Private Stash

Another big no no chance banner. Most effects are useless, but when someone get a really good effect I imagine it being pretty unfair to the other team. I'd like to see an attribute where pressing the reload button switches between different banners, but I'm not sure how possible that would be.

Pyro
Sharpshooter (both melee and secondary)

I've never been able to get use of the 5 seconds of faster firing speed on kill with either of these weapons, so I'd like to suggest either a longer duration of firing speed or perhaps a damage boost with each of these weapons along with the firing speed.

Heavy
Electroshock

The attribute where Heavy still dies from critical hits should probably be replaced to just backstabs and headshots unless the random critical hits are removed from the servers.

Engineer
Frontal Lobe

Since standing near a dispenser guarantees you unlimited ammo, then an attribute that while active you cannot collect ammo for this weapon would be a fair and small balance to how powerful it is.

Sniper
The Didgeridoom

Okay, I'm not gonna lie, this is one of the weapons I voted to be removed from the update. Not because it was unfun or unbalanced or whatever, but because it's a carbon copy of Sydney Sleeper with just more debuffs on hit. I'd say if it were up to me, it'd be removed entirely since we already have a weapon that functions identically in terms of playstyle. I know this isn't really a balance, but it's what I feel that should be done.

Manncannon

The downside is so unnoticeable and the extra damage it provides is so high that it's practically a straight upgrade to me. I'd be okay with a damage nerf to the bullet damage it does to make the damage the same for the stock while keeping the small downside it has to make it sort of like the Iron Bomber of rifles.

Spy
Eternal Youth Maiden

The worst offender of chance based weaponry on this list. As a Heavy if a Spy tries to backstab you but fails and you track him down perfectly with your Minigun, he has a very high chance of getting away anyway because of the 75% chance of dodging any attack that it provides. It's a very stupid mechanic. I propose that instead that the whole weapon be reworked into something more along the lines of cloaking will make you invisible no matter if you bump into someone or get shot and give you a great damage resistance and in return you also have a longer cloak/decloak period. This is just an idea, but what I'm trying to say is that the primary positive attribute just shouldn't work.

Multi-Class
Action Hale

The large melee range attribute (both the positive and negative attribute of it) completely ruins the fun gimmick of this weapon for me since it's so slow to use, so I'd be okay with just doing away with it completely.

The Raiding Aid

There was a version of this weapon several years back when it had four bullets in its clip but killing someone instantly reloaded it or something. I'd like that iteration back instead of the current one we have, because it's really horrendous on every class right now.

I'm suprised you didn't mention the Old Reliable on this list. It's basically a turtle weapon, and turtle-supporting weapons are really awful. It's also downright OP due to the fact that the only downside can be countered with turtling, making it more of a nuisance.

Still though, yeah, some of these weapons deserve the following, like the Action Hale and the Diggerdoom.

The Field Express:
Class: Scout
Model: IDK
Slot: Secondary
(+)Can store medkits or ammo packs into this item by picking them up regularly
(+)On Fire: Use the pack as a lunchbox immediately (without taunt)
(+)On Alt-Fire: Toss it at an ally
(-)33% less ammo from medkits when using as lunchbox
(-)33% less health from ammo packs when using as lunchbox
(o)Can only hold up to one ammo pack/medkit at a time. Any others picked up will be received normally

Based off an unused weapon. Suggestions?

Originally posted from update announcement:

"Goddammit. Old Relliable has the same problem as the Brawn Over Brains PDA: The downsides. This could've been a useful on-the-go weapon to quickly take out spies if balanced right, but with the unable to move buildings attribute, it's a very overpowered, better Jag, and it's a turtle weapon, and it shouldn't be a turtle weapon. Maybe instead, make it so that it minicrits whenever it would normally crit, and maybe, instead of not being able to move buildings, make it so that sentries are disabled a while longer, or reduce its repair rate a bit."

The S4P-TR4P
Class: Spy
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=872747542&searchtext=
Slot: Sapper
(+)100% additional HP
(-)Only one sapper at a time
(-)33% slower sap rate
(-)Constantly makes noise

Suggestions?

The Streamer's Addict
Class: Soldy, Pyro, Engi
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=158306933
(+)On hit: target is jarate'd for 4 seconds (effect refreshes but doesn't stack)
(+)This weapon deploys and holsters 66% faster
(+)25% faster fire rate
(-)This weapon cannot be minicrit/crit-boosted
(-)33% smaller clip size
(-)20% slower reload rate

Any suggestions?

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Originally posted by cTF2w DannyPlaysSomeGames:

Hey, where's the opinion poll? I want to vote against the duke for how stupid it is.

It was removed when we did the first meeting at the start of this month.

Oh, ok. So you guys finally decided what weapons are getting removed?

Hey, where's the opinion poll? I want to vote against the duke for how stupid it is.

Originally posted by Crafting | cTF2w:

Hey everyone, I will be announcing this tomorrow, but we will be having one last meeting before this update hits (and it will be happening on March 1st). The meeting will be on Feb 25th,at 2 PM CST.

This will be announced in the Discord and posted as a announcement in the steam group tomorrow.

I SWEAR I WILL MAKE A DISCORD ACCOUNT

Kelvin's Torcher:
Class: Engi
Model: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=91722539&searchtext=
Slot: Melee
(o)Flamethrower: Hold down button to dispense fire. Uses metal for ammo.
(o)Hold down button to infinitely repair buildings. Building repair is constant. Heals 2HP on buildings with every 1 metal, and transfers 15 metal to upgrade meter on building every half of a second. Uses 5 metal every second you repair/refuel.
(+)On hit: burns enemy for 2 seconds
(+)54% damage bonus vs buildings (one-shots sappers)
(+)Minicrits vs burnt enemies
(-)When ammo is wasted: deals no damage
(-)No random crits

Probs OP or too complicated. Please suggest something to improve it.