Yea during sign up there should be a couple pages with check marks for "i read this" , short "rules" on each page so its not a wall of text but something you can't avoid reading.

There are a lot of users who just don't know how to read the trades, the arrow pointing from left to right isn't a big enough clue, and they just mass add people, and thats time consuming for everyone esp if they buy from one, and leave the rest of the adds to be sorted out by the other people once they are done. They are like people who drop a deus in a public toilet and just walk away, why flush? I'm done!

And yes way too many of these people don't read notes. Some add so many people they don't even know why they added you. Then they play a game where they think its worth other peoples time to guess why they added you ....

And of course there are the item offer people who add you and are cagey about their intentions, going straight to trade then demanding to see your items. Check their bp, and of course they don't have pure. Not sure why they always think that if the other person puts the item down first it makes them more likely to accept a junk offer. Should be a rule of ettiquette, be up front about your intentions.


Sometimes people even ask to buy things that are blanked out, already sold..its like..you can't see that the icons grey?

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Sometimes people even ask to buy things that are blanked out, already sold..its like..you can't see that the icons grey?

There's a minor bug that allows already greyed out items to be shown in trade results. It only happens with old trades (ones that were created before the update with toggleable items was released) and it's fixed once you undelete and delete the item. It can be confusing for some to see an item in the search results that's already been sold.

Originally posted by norby89:

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Sometimes people even ask to buy things that are blanked out, already sold..its like..you can't see that the icons grey?

There's a minor bug that allows already greyed out items to be shown in trade results. It only happens with old trades (ones that were created before the update with toggleable items was released) and it's fixed once you undelete and delete the item. It can be confusing for some to see an item in the search results that's already been sold.

Fair enough, so guess its time to toggle a few trades.

When people create trades - they expect others to read each and every word. My question - do you do the same for every single trade you come across.

A trade should be easy to understand at a glance. Keep things simple for quick traders - and interesting enough for traders who like to go through the entire post.

It's a skill that takes time to perfect - not exactly difficult though :)

"Also, the amount of people who don't remove items when they have sold/bought them is insanely high and is incredibly annoying" - I tend to use the report function quite a lot recently - It's now much more effective.

Originally posted by Terminus:

When people create trades - they expect others to read each and every word. My question - do you do the same for every single trade you come across.

A trade should be easy to understand at a glance. Keep things simple for quick traders - and interesting enough for traders who like to go through the entire post.

It's a skill that takes time to perfect - not exactly difficult though :)

"Also, the amount of people who don't remove items when they have sold/bought them is insanely high and is incredibly annoying" - I tend to use the report function quite a lot recently - It's now much more effective.

I understand what you are saying, but I really don't put much writing in my trades. In fact the only time I ever wrote a serious amount of writing was when selling my backpack.

And generally yes, I do read most trades just to make sure and to check their prices.

As for the report function, I didn't know that was a legitimate reason, but now I do.

Just found this ad - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16264768

Plenty of writing
Plenty of rules :)

Originally posted by Terminus:

Just found this ad - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16264768

Plenty of writing
Plenty of rules :)

Trades like that where users write stories is a bit much.
Notice how he only has one offer on the trade even though it's been a month.
Very few people would want to read it all.

Next trade

Originally posted by Terminus:

Just found this ad - http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/16264768

Plenty of writing
Plenty of rules :)

Also it's not exactly the main problem I was trying to get at. The fact that people don't understand how outpost works is a larger concern.

its not that they dont understand its that they dont care and are lazy. I post dont random add me with a link to trade offers, I get tons of random adds. I post that I am not selling items not listed, I get offers for items not listed. Plain and Simple, people are lasy and dont care to read no matter how short and simple it is. I finally had to post several times in caps on each trade to not be added and for trade offers to be used before people actually got it :(

Originally posted by Skaboomatude:

its not that they dont understand its that they dont care and are lazy. I post dont random add me with a link to trade offers, I get tons of random adds. I post that I am not selling items not listed, I get offers for items not listed. Plain and Simple, people are lasy and dont care to read no matter how short and simple it is. I finally had to post several times in caps on each trade to not be added and for trade offers to be used before people actually got it :(

Once again, you are not catching my drift. I know there are tonnes of people who don't bother reading, however, the main problem is that they don't understand which side of the trade is the selling/buying side.

I'm guessing this happens when you're a buyer. Put buying at the top of your trade in all caps. I have a bunch of trades open, all buying, and never run in to this issue.

i understand where OP is coming from.. I've had endless adds demanding i trade worthless items for very expensive things.. not only that but people have even added me asking if i have items.. didn't even look at the trade or my BP just asking if i have something and then deleting me because i don't.. there should be a popup when clicking a trade with the notes on which you have to agree to be read before posting.. if the notes are not followed, a penalty is issued

Originally posted by swerve:

Originally posted by Skaboomatude:

its not that they dont understand its that they dont care and are lazy. I post dont random add me with a link to trade offers, I get tons of random adds. I post that I am not selling items not listed, I get offers for items not listed. Plain and Simple, people are lasy and dont care to read no matter how short and simple it is. I finally had to post several times in caps on each trade to not be added and for trade offers to be used before people actually got it :(

Once again, you are not catching my drift. I know there are tonnes of people who don't bother reading, however, the main problem is that they don't understand which side of the trade is the selling/buying side.

Yep failing a low bar intelligence test :P There are even arrows on the page...


Many times people add and just leave you on there adds after they get what they want from someone else too, then they fail to answer chat... because like I said before, like the person who doesn't flush in public rest rooms, when they are done, they no longer care about anything.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Originally posted by swerve:

Once again, you are not catching my drift. I know there are tonnes of people who don't bother reading, however, the main problem is that they don't understand which side of the trade is the selling/buying side.

Yep failing a low bar intelligence test :P There are even arrows on the page...


Many times people add and just leave you on there adds after they get what they want from someone else too, then they fail to answer chat... because like I said before, like the person who doesn't flush in public rest rooms, when they are done, they no longer care about anything.

That happens all the time, especially when I'm sleeping...