Admins have lives that they live. This is just volunteer work whenever they have FREE time, not when they are online. Respect what they do and you broke the rules in the first place. Deal with the punishment.

Originally posted by signed:

Admins have lives that they live. This is just volunteer work whenever they have FREE time, not when they are online. Respect what they do and you broke the rules in the first place. Deal with the punishment.

These are the type of responses I'm not looking for. I'm trying to get a point across to sensible people, not brainless damage-controlling from people who've only read the title. Please refrain from replying, thank you.

EDIT: This is a thread with substance. It requires reading.

look at you complaining about a FREE service, you can't just expect 24/7 admin support out of this. look at yourself before complaining.

Originally posted by signed:

look at you complaining about a FREE service, you can't just expect 24/7 admin support out of this. look at yourself before complaining.

Enjoy being blocked.

I'm providing critical suggestion to a free service. A service I've even considered donating to. Like I said, none of this. Trying to keep this mature and not full of closed-minded damage control.

close-minded yet you won't take critism for your own fault. talk about that lol.

Originally posted by Nue:

not brainless damage-controlling from people who've only read the title.

This doesn't really help your plead.

Originally posted by Nue:

I'm providing critical suggestion to a free service.

Nothing about this is suggestive, in fact somewhat insulting to the staff who put in hours of their free time into Outpost, the minute you say something insulting you turn it into a rant, not a suggestion.

Everywhere you go there will be rules and principles that you must abide to, they're there to keep disobedience at bay and create fear for potential rule breakers, just like everywhere else, if you've broken a rule, massive or tiny, you will face punishment, it is YOUR fault for not reading through the rules, not the admins, grow some patience and wait for your turn.

To repetition what I have just said; just because you broke a minor rule and faced consequences doesn't entitle you to a dispensation, being rude and calling users "close-minded" is insulting and can further more increase your chances at a plausible ban, and you can't force the staff to put more hours in, they're already generous with the amount they put in Outpost.

If you however want to make a more formal and serious suggestion, i'd recommend starting at the right sub-forum, https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/6/

Please, I am BEGGING you to read the initial post. Signed has been blocked, ignored, and reported accordingly. That entire section of the thread is completely irrelevant to my point. Now if YOU would like to read, perhaps we can get some kind of understanding going.

Originally posted by Cye:

Nothing about this is suggestive, in fact somewhat insulting to the staff who put in hours of their free time into Outpost, the minute you say something insulting you turn it into a rant, not a suggestion.

There is nothing derogatory or insulting in the original post. It won't even take 3 minutes to read the initial post, I promise. Furthermore, I provide a lot of crucial points.

Originally posted by Cye:

Everywhere you go there will be rules and principles that you must abide to, they're there to keep disobedience at bay and create fear for potential rule breakers, just like everywhere else, if you've broken a rule, massive or tiny, you will face punishment, it is YOUR fault for not reading through the rules, not the admins,

I had my profile on private for not even an hour, my profile was PUBLIC when I offered in the trade. In fact, it has to be in order to post. I was reported and banned before I even realized what happened. Where's the justice? You don't know the conditions, so don't lash your tongue at me.

Originally posted by Cye:

grow some patience and wait for your turn.

I don't mind waiting my "turn". However, I do find a week to be unacceptable progress. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who have to sit and wait months, that's just carelessness. This paragraph is the entire point of my argument. You can say they work hard, and I've even been told there's divisions mods are assigned to, but clearly somebody isn't doing their job. Do not defend that person. It is disrespectful to me, and everybody else who is sitting in line. I've gotten better service from the DMV.

Originally posted by Cye:

To repetition what I have just said; just because you broke a minor rule and faced consequences doesn't entitle you to a dispensation,

If the ban had been timed instead of permanent, I wouldn't even be here right now. The fact that I have to wait on somebody to unban me at their leisure because of a private profile is unacceptable. Even more so when the "at their leisure" is followed by a title card saying "To be continued". Nobody is trying to cut in line, I'm just trying to get the line to actually move.

Originally posted by Cye:

being rude and calling users "close-minded" is insulting and can further more increase your chances at a plausible ban

Closed-minded is an insult? The man jumped in this thread without reading anything but the title. I blocked him, and I ignored his posts. I'd hate to actually be banned for that, given the level of maturity and overall lack of interest in pursuing a one-sided fight, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Originally posted by Cye:

and you can't force the staff to put more hours in, they're already generous with the amount they put in Outpost.

If you however want to make a more formal and serious suggestion, i'd recommend starting at the right sub-forum, https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/tf2outpost/discussions/6/

If people are waiting months to get unbanned, somebody is putting NO hours in. And yet... the people in the banning division are certainly on the ball, aren't they?

Anyways, to wrap this up, yeah I'll probably visit that sub-forum. I might as well visit the mod application one, too. I'd have more done in a day than they've done all year.

I just spent ten minutes writing up a retaliation and decided to remove it all, this is pointless as I have no authority to do anything about your issue.

I've tried to standby and be helpful, tried to direct you to the simple truth of Outpost principles, but you're obviously not going to stop, and as I have no authority to do nothing more than voice an opinion, I myself will stop.

But know this, you've already received an honestly decent reply from an admin, with the added insults and repetitive nagging, an updated reply may not be so marvelous.

there you go. this will not help you.

I'm not here to cause trouble. I've said my mind. If the admin can't put themselves in my shoes and understand where I'm coming from, then it's just going to keep happening. But if I can get somebody to actually think about it, maybe people won't have to wait months for their appeal to be read. Being blunt may get me in deeper trouble, but being passive will get me completely disregarded.

That's all I have to left to say. Good night.

Originally posted by Nue:

Reviving topic since the last thread was ended rudely.

I don't see how responding to it and locking it can be rude, specially when the forum rules state very clearly that rants are not allowed and users may not appeal site bans here.

Originally posted by Nue:

Clearly not enough, and I sure hope this is volunteer work and people aren't actually getting paid to do this. There cannot be that many banned people, and if there are:

There ARE people that deserve it. There ARE scammers and trolls who are looking for trouble. That is not me, and I am pretty sure it isn't the numerous other people who are banned for the same reason. Not ONLY am I denied the service, but that heavily impacts my ability to trade, as well as receive offers. People are not only afraid of trading with a banned user, but are threatened by the site for doing it. I don't deserve to be treated like the plague for having a private profile. That applies to everybody, ESPECIALLY the ones waiting months for their appeal to get looked at. Completely unacceptable.

This is and has always been voluntary work. And you don't know how much work is put into this, or all the surrounding circumstances to make a statement that it is not enough.

Everyone deserves it. It is in the rules. You do it you get banned for it. We do not care who it is, doing it results in a ban.

Originally posted by Nue:

I'm not here to cause trouble. I've said my mind. If the admin can't put themselves in my shoes and understand where I'm coming from, then it's just going to keep happening. But if I can get somebody to actually think about it, maybe people won't have to wait months for their appeal to be read. Being blunt may get me in deeper trouble, but being passive will get me completely disregarded.

You request us to put ourselves in your shoes. Have you put yourself in our shoes? Apparently not, as you have absolutely no idea about how things work on our side.

You don't get to say we are putting no hours in. Or that we do this and that. You have absolutely no information to make such statement.

Originally posted by Nue:

These are the type of responses I'm not looking for. I'm trying to get a point across to sensible people, not brainless damage-controlling from people who've only read the title. Please refrain from replying, thank you.

There is nothing wrong with what he said. You, however, decided to insult his intelligence. Way to go at making your point across, you earned a forum ban for that.

Originally posted by Nue:

I'm providing critical suggestion to a free service. A service I've even considered donating to. Like I said, none of this. Trying to keep this mature and not full of closed-minded damage control.

There is no suggestion anywhere, just a rant.

Originally posted by Nue:

Please, I am BEGGING you to read the initial post. Signed has been blocked, ignored, and reported accordingly. That entire section of the thread is completely irrelevant to my point. Now if YOU would like to read, perhaps we can get some kind of understanding going.

Your invalid report will increase the ban time as it is not a revenge tool. You don't get to punish users for not agreeing with you.

Originally posted by Nue:

There is nothing derogatory or insulting in the original post. It won't even take 3 minutes to read the initial post, I promise. Furthermore, I provide a lot of crucial points.

Again, just a rant.

Originally posted by Nue:

I had my profile on private for not even an hour, my profile was PUBLIC when I offered in the trade. In fact, it has to be in order to post. I was reported and banned before I even realized what happened. Where's the justice? You don't know the conditions, so don't lash your tongue at me.

It doesn't matter if it is private for 1 minute or an entire year. The rules are very clear that you will be permanently banned for it. I see absolute justice here.

Originally posted by Nue:

I don't mind waiting my "turn". However, I do find a week to be unacceptable progress. I genuinely feel sorry for the people who have to sit and wait months, that's just carelessness. This paragraph is the entire point of my argument. You can say they work hard, and I've even been told there's divisions mods are assigned to, but clearly somebody isn't doing their job. Do not defend that person. It is disrespectful to me, and everybody else who is sitting in line. I've gotten better service from the DMV.

If you find it unacceptable, do something about it. Sponsor our staff so we get something good out of our work other than people like you who do nothing but complain when they are wrong. Or run your own million user site.

Originally posted by Nue:

If the ban had been timed instead of permanent, I wouldn't even be here right now. The fact that I have to wait on somebody to unban me at their leisure because of a private profile is unacceptable. Even more so when the "at their leisure" is followed by a title card saying "To be continued". Nobody is trying to cut in line, I'm just trying to get the line to actually move.

Private inventories have always cause permanent bans. Always. On. Every. Serious. Trading. Site. And you have to wait because we manually check accounts and check whether bans have been issued for this in the past, beside doing background checks and whatnot.

Originally posted by Nue:

Closed-minded is an insult? The man jumped in this thread without reading anything but the title. I blocked him, and I ignored his posts. I'd hate to actually be banned for that, given the level of maturity and overall lack of interest in pursuing a one-sided fight, but I wouldn't be surprised.

"brainless damage-controlling" is an insult.

Originally posted by Nue:

Anyways, to wrap this up, yeah I'll probably visit that sub-forum. I might as well visit the mod application one, too. I'd have more done in a day than they've done all year.

Do not bother. You would be insta-declined.

Oh, and by the way, I'd like you to see you banning tens of thousands of users in a day, scammers included. Or doing a hundred thousand report/support/appeal tickets in a day. Or running periodic checks on 950k accounts in day. And also handling a hundred staff applications plus a few thousand forum posts a day. Wow it would be so great for the community, doing all of this in a day for no pay, but not here, thanks.