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Bill 18 Dec, 2013 @ 10:35pm
People offering Hats - not in their backpack. Cross trading. Should be stopped.
Hello,
I've come accross this issue a lot of times now specially common with new traders on outpost.

Lets say i have a hat "A" in my backpack and i offer my hat "A" to other trader on outpost who is selling "B". The other trader then C/Os me goes all over outpost spams my hat "A" in order to get a deal. Not only this is completely unprofessional but it is also adding to spams as the seller does not possess the item in his backpack.

I strongly feel that some kind of action must be taken with these kind of trading practices. These things can be done privately. But spamming something which you don't own is completely different. Only adds to spam in my opinion.
Last edited by Bill; 18 Dec, 2013 @ 10:35pm
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In all honesty I do this quite often when I get a good offer on an unusual and I am highly interested in the offer. I will go around offering the unusual to other people in order to see the demand for it, etc. Now doing this is one thing, but spamming is another. While if you are referring to posting your offer on a bunch of different trades, it is not against the rules. But if you are referring to spamming on a single trade then I can see where the problem is.

In conclusion I don't believe there is a rule against posting other offers in trades before you get the item, specially if you are sure that you will receive the original offer if you went back to the trader because in a sense this could be considered falsifying or false advertisement. "Spamming" or more like posting in a bunch of different isn't against the rules, if I am not mistaken.
If someone is offering an item they don't have then it's a fake offer and against the rules. They can ask if one would be interested in a hat they don't have, but not explicitly offer it.

And doing that on multiple trades is considered spamming and also against the rules.
Bill 19 Dec, 2013 @ 8:05am 
@DARKLY | Ħ∆ρρƴ$тїx™ - By your Logic - You are just promoting people to offer something which they don't own. It only promotes fake c/o and misleading traders to offer on an item. These things can be done privately among friends but not on public where c/o directly mislead traders. People should not offer someone else property no matter what the situation is.

Also there is already a rule on outpost which says -
No fake current offers. This is deemed a serious offence if you create multiple accounts and/or manipulate friends into posting fake offers. In addition to a permanent ban on our site, you will receive a scammer tag on SteamRep.

Originally posted by DARKLY | Ħ∆ρρƴ$тїx™:
In all honesty I do this quite often when I get a good offer on an unusual and I am highly interested in the offer. I will go around offering the unusual to other people in order to see the demand for it, etc.

You are openly admitting of breaking a rule here. This is the major point i want to stress out, Not only to you but to all the traders. Please do not offering something which you dont own or something which belongs to someone else. Atleast not on Outpost where this thing is considered as a serious rule breaker. Simple.
Last edited by Bill; 19 Dec, 2013 @ 8:09am
Perhaps it was wrong choice of wording on my part, apologies now let me reword it:

Never do I specifically offer the item, which is what you thought I meant by my inadequate statement to what I initially meant. It's more so asking if this would be acceptable which is basically like an offer but then again it's not. My main focus is to find interests in the item that I am eventually trading for, is it a high demand or not by the rest of the community. It wasn't my intentions to promote the use of false advertising to other users although it may have sounded that way. False advertising is a serious offense which I am highly aware of and should be strictly moderated by the Outpost staff.

I don't really trade on Outpost to much anymore so I wouldn't really know if this is becoming a more serious issue or not. I am defiantly not trying to start an argument about this though, it was simply my poor choice of words.

Thanks.
Last edited by anakin whore walker; 19 Dec, 2013 @ 9:14am
Aitchy 20 Dec, 2013 @ 7:39pm 
Some people may have it listed on the steam market also hence it not appearing in their backpacks
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Date Posted: 18 Dec, 2013 @ 10:35pm
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