are the admins busy trying to setup a site like scrap.tf so scammers can liquidate their items
that no one can answer??

My 2 cents. (IMHO)

It isnt so simple as to IP ban everyone who doesnt have a Premium account (plenty of issue there), and obviously its difficult to stop people from masking their true identity over the internet. Banning people based on low hours or premium status is also not an appropriate solution imo as its a form of discrimination. Some people solely trade TF2 items/Dota2/steam inventory without actually playing the game.

In regards to combating phishers, the best defense is just to report them and dont click on anything that you dont know. Having extensions such as noscript and utilizing steam guard, complex and unique passwords, and using common sense usually is (mostly) enough to defeat phishing.

If you do get random adds from marked scammers, dont trade with them. Understandably its a hassle, but its something we all have to live with. If everyone did their part then it would severly hamper and deter those types of users.

And no, TF2OP is meant to provide a place to make fair and good trades, not a liquidating site. TF2OP is closely affiliated with Steam rep and is always combating cases of scamming and phishing.

I also do not believe that Scrap TF is running a "item laundering" site, and unless evidence of such is provided i would be wary of disparaging their name.

warehouse has a trust tier system, what has scrap.tf got?

i meant ip ban all used addresses by scammers, and restricting f2p account functions. If ip pan works then restricing scammers f2p alts can be overlooked.

Instead of making small changes on op and preventing it on the big level, every potential trader needs to background check on their daily adds. There is a hole here, why isnt it plugged?

it is very naive to think everyone would do their part or everyone can avoid scams.

I think ALL their post should be hidden, there should be a tab popping up with something like this: this might not be a leginimate site and some basic links like the freesteamgift one should be autohidden and banned

Originally posted by Rico Lambrini:

my god, i thought this was a none issue

warehouse has a trust tier system, what has scrap.tf got?

i meant ip ban all used addresses by scammers, and restricting f2p account functions. If ip pan is done then restricing scammers f2p alts can be neglected.

Instead of making small changes on op and preventing it on the big level, every potential trader would have to spend their time finding out if they are scammers or not. There is a hole here, why isnt it plugged?

it is very naive to think everyone would do their part or everyone can avoid scams.

Do you ip ban marked scammers, so they cant even use f2p acc / not signed in to find us, to liquidate? Many cheap stuff come back this way!!!

I am sure SR has its ways of tracking IP and has its own methods of tracking Alts, etc. I do believe that Accounts that do log in with the same IP are marked on SR. Its definitely possible to get around an IP ban if i am not mistaken, and in some countries i believe that some service providers have IPs that change with regular frequency. Your example contains a user who is only banned on OP for phishing, NOT marked on SR, though there is 1 pendng case for phishing. (if he was marked then it would be a different story.)

Marked scammers are banned on outpost. It is impossible to have 100% efficiency/accuracy. When i say "If everyone did their part then it would severly hamper and deter those types of users. " I mean in the highest degree IF, as in hypothetical.

Originally posted by Xile{t}:

I'm pretty sure all automated sites have an automated Steamrep check built in, disp. Does so I would think scrap does too.

As above IP bans on the whole are a waste of time, cause false positives, turn into whack a scammer no doubt :/ nearly every ISP I've had in England has dynamic IP.

transfer the items into a f2p acc...

i have seen the pirate pic acc, sr marked and successfully scammed - he used the same text. its cost-free to access op with f2p acc / not signed in. ip ban didnt work for him, relying on sr is reactive. being preventative is to implement new measures on op.

you think people wont buy cheap stuff when they are approached, its just wishful thinking.

i need to stress, the most important thing is to eliminate their ways to find buyers.

Ip banning is a way to solve some of the problems, but it would cause a lot of problems.

At the moment it is extremely easy to get around an IP ban, just use a proxy, and you are done!
Ip banning all scammers wouldn't help either, because there are other people on their network that may not be scammers, as well as if they get unmarked they would have to go trough just another process to get their IP unbanned.

Another thing is that we are not scrap.tf stop associating us with them.
We are working on a system that will blacklist certain phishing sites, but the problem is that they are made all the time and it is a lot to keep track off.
We are currently working on it though, and we appreciate users reporting these phishers ASAP

revised; relying on the blacklist system will always be 1 step behind.

scrap.tf is an affiliate of op

What is being done against phishers on op? i propose...

1. restricting f2p acc functions;
- only premium acc can add, f2p only leave messages
- cant access/ add when not signed in
- f2p players can post links
- the MOST important - dont let them to liquidate
- Increase their operation cost, with other methods

2. ip ban fails as mention on #8
- its suggested a system is being made to blacklist certain sites, but that is still 1 step behind

3. remove scrap.tf as affilates, currently it is easy for scammers to liquidate

1) whether or not a user can add someone is not related to TF2, its a function of steam.
As stated before, it would be imo wrong to discriminate against users with low hours or F2P accounts. Some people just trade and dont play. Most of the time links are harmless and education is a better solution. The SR plug in and other methods are in place to hinder scammers from liquidating, but its not a perfect system and it will (probably) never be. I dont understand what you mean by "operating costs".

2) blacklisting or whitelisting certain keywords or phrases could be possible, however as Regen stated, phishing sites are easily set up then discarded. Of course preventing scammers and phishers will be a step behind. Thats just how the world works.

3) Dont have much knowledge about Scrap.TF, however you mention WH's trust system and am interested in Scrap.TF's methods.

Originally posted by Rico Lambrini:

scrap.tf is an affiliate of op

It's not.

Originally posted by Zemnmez:

Originally posted by Rico Lambrini:

scrap.tf is an affiliate of op

It's not.

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f2p acc dont have the virtual wealth to trade on op. they also dont have enough slots. if they start trading lots of things, they wont stay f2p. the no of hours may not be detectable so lets drop it.

im saying simply remove the links to traders' profile and functions to add on op for F2P AND NOT SIGNED IN ACC, since they are not active, this will not hurt much. they can leave messages but cant add.

operation cost is that now they have to set up premium acc for professionals, do a bit more cover up to scam before it gets tagged.

this also prevents casual scamming and there are so many ways to scam, we CAN NOT let them to FIND US and LIQUIDATE.

Originally posted by Rico Lambrini:

Originally posted by Zemnmez:

It's not.

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f2p acc dont have the virtual wealth to trade on op. they also dont have enough slots. if they start trading lots of things, they wont stay f2p. the no of hours may not be detectable so lets drop it.

im saying simply remove the links to traders' profile and functions to add on op for F2P AND NOT SIGNED IN ACC, since they are not active, this will not hurt much. they can leave messages but cant add.

operation cost is that now they have to set up premium acc for professionals, do a bit more cover up to scam before it gets tagged.

this also prevents casual scamming and there are so many ways to scam, we CAN NOT let them to FIND US and LIQUIDATE.

Well, you were right about it being an affiliate, I did not know that.

1. This is a generalisation, there is no need to alienate a whole group of people for this reason.

2. They will just look them up on steam and then send a friend request, this does not solve anything.

In my opionion, your suggestion is not the silver bullet we need; it alienates free to play users just so that scammers have to find someone on steam.

im not sure if you can find someone's steam profile with just the name. even if they can, it significantly increases their cost. they dont know what we have, how rich we are, are we trading or not...etc, instead of the nicely lay out op trades, SEARCH and easy ACCESS.

i have been trading for a while, i havent not met/traded/talked to f2p on op more than 1 player a month. they are not active, they dont need the function.

this only limits f2p acc trading function, when they were never active the 1st place.

Originally posted by Rico Lambrini:

i have been trading for a while, i havent not met/traded/talked to f2p on op more than 1 player a month. they are not active, they dont need the function.

The most ridiculous thing I've heard in a good while. Your suggestions are downright terribad.

While phishing is a huge issue lately, punishing the average user is not the right way to deal with it. As for liquidating items, it's your own responsability to check the source of the items you trade for and not to trade with scammers. If a deal is too good to be true, IT IS.

Id justl ike to say I have a idleing acct and my brother plays tf2 same. What can happen for say if someonelse has a brother but there older or younger whatever brother is a sharker etc? theyd both be screwed. I thnk sharkers should just die in hell.