Exactly! This is what I was trying to explain to one of the Admins.
I'd really love to have official response about this new rule.
As Meatball said, Webmoney is much much safer than Paypal. I can't see the reason behind this new rule.

I don't get it either. Both methods are safer than PayPal. Bitcoins may have a fluctuating value, but if both sides agree on a price I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

The only issue I see with bitcoins is the difficulty of obtaining them - they require bank accounts and accounts in exchange sites to be purchased (you can get them with PayPal but its not a good idea for a few reasons).

I haven't had any problems using WebMoney for more than 1 year. This is a great payment system.

WebMoney-only system fully available in my country. Paypal- It is forbidden to use in my country.

Please reconsider this rule.

Originally posted by Super Errorka:

I haven't had any problems using WebMoney for more than 1 year. This is a great payment system.

WebMoney-only system fully available in my country. Paypal- It is forbidden to use in my country.

Please reconsider this rule.

This.
I forgot to mention this one. Paypal is forbidden in my country too, so Webmoney is kinda the best option, and kinda the only option for me.

I concur. Bitcoin was the only way that a no-rep noob like me was able to buy buds and keys a long while back. (Since no reasonable seller trusts any buyer to not charge back with paypal.)

I guess there's always tf2wh for bitcoin, (but they take a tiny cut of each transaction).

I was wondering why they made a rule change as well, however, I somewhat see why they did it.

You can't charge back either system, meaning that if you paid up the real money first, they can just walk away with all your cash and call it good for them, sucks to be you. That and bitcoins is also 1000 times easier to hijack than paypal. Webmoney I've never dealt in.

However, like mentioned, paypal gets the banhammer in some countries, which makes me wonder why the rule was put in place.

I'm sure a mod is bound to see this thread soon and reply or leave us to our own devices to figure it out.

Originally posted by dark-hello2:

You can't charge back either system, meaning that if you paid up the real money first, they can just walk away with all your cash and call it good for them, sucks to be you. That and bitcoins is also 1000 times easier to hijack than paypal. Webmoney I've never dealt in.

You are mixing things up, Bitcoin is a currency, PayPal is a business. Your analogy should be Bitcoin exchange sites vs PayPal. You must be referring to all the BTC thefts going on in exchange sites. This scenario does not mean the currency is insecure, it means those holding the currency are not doing a good job. Bitcoins are stored in wallets, and an encrypted cold wallet is very very hard to hijack.

There's a big difference when it comes to the PayPal and Bitcoins usage: PayPal protects the one who sends the money (for tf2 items), and Bitcoins protects the one who receives the money (anything). No matter how good your rep is, with PayPal you always have the possibility of being scammed. And if you have no rep you will have a very hard time buying for PayPal, unless you are overpaying or not spending much.

Also, Bitcoin transactions are public and can be verified by anyone in the world, while PayPal transactions are only recorded in the accounts that took part on it, and thus to verify a scam report one can only check screenshots provided by the account owners, and these can be easily faked/altered.

In both cases any transaction can be reversed if needed, by just sending the money or Bitcoins back. Charge backs are not necessary in virtual items trading, they are the reason why so many scams are taking place every day. People should be running away from refundable methods, not encouraging it, considering the steam platform allows anyone to create any amount of accounts for the sole purpose of scamming other users, even after being trade banned/marked in steamrep.

Both methods are not scam free (they both require two separate trades to be completed), but Bitcoins are much safer for high rep sellers and allow anyone with no rep to make purchases without any restrictions.

All money scams would be gone if there were a way to withdraw money from steam wallet, but we know that's not gonna happen.

I haven't had any problems using WebMoney . This is a great payment system.
WebMoney-only system fully available in my country.
Paypal- It is forbidden to use in my country.
Please,reconsider this rule!

Originally posted by Leonhard Euler:

I concur. Bitcoin was the only way that a no-rep noob like me was able to buy buds and keys a long while back. (Since no reasonable seller trusts any buyer to not charge back with paypal.)

I guess there's always tf2wh for bitcoin, (but they take a tiny cut of each transaction).

Yeah, I sold you some stuff back in the day if I recall.

I find this rule rather arbitrary, as under the current rules, even businesses that are identical to paypal, like amazon payments, are not aloud. I've heard one person theorize that paypal is forcing them to forbid mention of bitcoins and are threatening to no longer process donations for the site if they do not. That idea seems a bit far-fetched to me though. While paypal as a company are massive bell-ends, I don't think a trading site for a game would be high enough on there rader to care about.

only paypal=less russians=less scam

Originally posted by eddy:

only paypal=less russians=less scam

How do you mean?

Originally posted by KGB Bunny S> Items for bitcoins:

Originally posted by eddy:

only paypal=less russians=less scam

How do you mean?

Paypal is restricted in Russia.

Originally posted by KGB Bunny S> Items for bitcoins:

How do you mean?

He's just a racist who doesn't have anything better to do but post silly things on discussions. He doesn't know what he's talking about, don't mind him.

Originally posted by eddy:

Originally posted by KGB Bunny S> Items for bitcoins:

How do you mean?

Paypal is restricted in Russia.

Your logic still does not hold up.

People in Russia can still use proxies, or hi-jacked paypal accounts to use in buying keys. Also, on Paypal, there is the danger of charge back, which you have no real defense over. Paypal MIGHT side with you in a charge-back, but its a real crap shot with historical evidence showing the odds are in favor of the scammers charging you back than the buyer. Restricting payment to a vulnerable system like paypal makes it more convenient for scammers, not harder.

In any case, any speculation on why the rules were changed are just that, speculation. We can't understand why the rules were changed until we hear so from Sneeza himself.

We can't still pay for a lot of stuff with PayPal, only with Webmoney.