People have the freedom to ask for any price within reason for their items. If someone wants 35 keys for buds, let them, odds are no one will buy them. Telling them their price is unfair is unnecessary, they either take the hint that no ones offering, or never sell the buds. As for communication, I'd love to see an example.

"Highballing" and "Lowballing" are just derogatory terms created (in part, I suppose) by the community, every item in TF2 (excluding metal) has an arbitrary value. Why should the Le Party Phantom be worth less than the Kringle Collection? Only because the community feels this way. People, again, have the freedom to ask for any reasonable, or remotely reasonable price, unlike some other sites. (Ahem, bazaar.tf)

As for you complaining about autobump being only for donators, how else would you suggest OP raises finance, that's a legitimate question, I'm sure Sneeza is always interested in things like these. As for the example you gave of a quicksell trade, I believe that breaks the "Dont use the report function to threaten other users." rule.

Sure there are some less savory individuals among the community, I don't doubt that, but I see a lot of fair trading, and I've met some extremely kind and polite traders. As for the moderators, I flat out disagree with you, they do a great job, pure and simple.

As for your comment about why previous mods were banned, public profiles are extremely important. They promote honesty, which is something you were complaining about a lack of above. Racism is a real issue, and anyone who is openly racist, especially as a mod, is not wanted in the community, in my opinion.

I have to agree with some of the points you make. The auto-bumping of inactive trades is a major pain in the ass. The first few pages in a search are "spammed" with donors, either out of stock or routinely offline - as in really offline or maybe an online status but afk or idling. I myself are already regarding someone without a special status as superior. If they've just bumped their trade, you know they are online and you get quick responses regularly. Especially painful for commodities like Keys. I've seen some being closed for bumping without selling, but it is not mentioned in the rules. I also dislike, that you get no feedback for your reports.
And those trades where people just sit on their stuff for ages until some desperate moron comes along to overpay, is really annoying too. All they do is list age old offers (that are very likely not valid anymore) as C/O until said moron makes a overpay offer.

This site took over some other sites business because it was innovative, now it seems development and improvement has come to a stop. There is another site (we prob. all know which) that addresses most of the issues you talk about (although it too has problems: with searching it seems). Unfortunately the user base is far less for now. But maybe the trading community will move on, maybe not.

And what is really bugging me of late: How does the hiding of posts work - or rather why is it the way it is? Some hidden reply-posts reappear all of a sudden, if the trade-owner hides the main post. And why can't I hide my post once the trade is closed or the owner hides the main post? It should be either full transparency - no posts can be hidden (as in inaccessible) - or full control - I can delete (make inaccessible) what I have written. I just don't get it!

Well said.

Originally posted by Champelliot:

Why should the Le Party Phantom be worth less than the Kringle Collection? Only because the community feels this way.

Because of demand and supply. If demand is high and a lot of people actually do want some specific item, they will pay more to get it. So sellers will ask for more.

Originally posted by Champelliot:

People, again, have the freedom to ask for any reasonable, or remotely reasonable price, unlike some other sites. (Ahem, bazaar.tf)

Nah. Bazaar uses bptf prices, which is definitely better than spreadsheet, which is the main pricechecking system for a lot of outpost users. Mainly because bptf prices are based on community feedback, voting and actual trades, while spreadsheet prices are being set by a single person.
You will pricecheck an item anyway before buying or selling it, so bazaar is just saving your time.

Originally posted by Champelliot:

Racism is a real issue, and anyone who is openly racist, especially as a mod, is not wanted in the community, in my opinion.

Did you see the screenshot of his appeal? He called those who banned him "niggers". Probably because of a ban that he was appealing. In that case, "niggers" = totally disagreeing with an opponent, but I can't see any racism here. Jesus, some people are crasy about racism and tolerance nowadays.

I understand the whole principle of supply and demand, but who says that the estimated backpack.tf prices are correct, people should be able to offer what ever they want, withing reason.

Who uses spreadsheet nowadays? Also, stating that community decides on the prices there is wrong. A group of admins takes suggestions, but are not obligated to accept. I've seen suggestions with lots of support rejected, and suggestions with no support accepted.

^^ both pricing guides have their issues. The voting on bptf actually does not really work in all cases. I had my price suggestion closed despite >100 votes and 75% acceptance and seen other suggestions being accepted in no time with no real evidence (using offers, not completed trades as "evidence") in no time. Especially painful for the new semi-rare collector items! Now they will be listed with a way to high price (originating from the first hype) and trading will come to a stop - just look at the u. Vita, SoaS and Volcano...

Look If you don't like it or You Hate the website or you don't like the community, Then don't be apart of it.. Simple I'm not trying to be rude.

Originally posted by AGENTrader™:

If you don't like it or You Hate the website or you don't like the community, Then don't be apart of it.

>if you don't like the community
>don't be apart of it
Something is wrong here. If you meant "don't be a part of it", that statement is completely illogical. If you didn't, then it's even more illogical.

Originally posted by AGENTrader™:

Simple I'm not trying to be rude.

Of course, cause there's no reason to be rude.

And by the way, why do you capitalize some words in the middle of a sentence?

The grey/blue/green dot lets us know that half of traders are offline while trades are still being bumped.
Autobumping trades of offline traders doesn't keep the site alive but just pollutes it. When I'm searching for something, I don't want to scroll through 10 pages of inactive trades. And nobody does, I suppose.

The trades aren't inactive, you will get a response when the owner of that trade sees it. The trade is always "active" even if you autobump. People can be offline on steam and add trades on outpost, are those trades inactive aswell? even though they're 2 minutes old.

I think autobumping is a very nice feature since your trade can reach more people in different timezones from yours that are actually interested in the trade.

If you can't wait that little time for the owner of the trade to respond to you, then go to a trading server and not a trading website with thousands of people in different countries and timezones...

The rules we provide are easy to follow, if you can't follow them, then you don't deserve to use the site. If you see an "unfair price" just leave it alone, if someone spams on your trade, report it, don't say "thats a stupid lowball" or something of that regard, hide and report the post.

if you can't follow them, then you don't deserve to use the site

It saddens me to see you only took the time to read the "hatred" parts here and burst out like that instead of taking the time to address some of the issues (I) pointed out.
And pricing was not the real issue, as I understand it.

@samhudson The green / blue dots do help, but would even more so if you could filter by them.

And I really would like some feedback on my reports. A simple accepted / rejected would suffice in most cases. I constantly fear to be banned myself because I have no way of knowing if my reports are substantial. I see so many re-listings and bumping without buying or selling anything, I really don't know if I should report all of them or risk getting banned myself.

But I probably should have made my critisism / suggestions in my own thread. I guess this was not the right place, as I can't sign the initial statement.

Originally posted by Leviathan_:

The trades aren't inactive, you will get a response when the owner of that trade sees it. The trade is always "active" even if you autobump. People can be offline on steam and add trades on outpost, are those trades inactive aswell?

Exactly. Because most of them have "add me" in the description, with nothing to negotiate.

Originally posted by Not_Duck:

The rules we provide are easy to follow, if you can't follow them, then you don't deserve to use the site. If you see an "unfair price" just leave it alone, if someone spams on your trade, report it, don't say "thats a stupid lowball" or something of that regard, hide and report the post.

It's easy to look at things from the height of a moderator. The main problem about your crew is that you just can't put yourself in the place of a user.
And why the pony I can't say "that's a stupid lowball" is someone will make a bad offer? Reporting people without an answer is worse than bullying, I will never descend to that.

Another rant, no thanks.