This whole "wall of shame" idea is entirely against the rules, under the common sense section.

The common sense section is just silly. It basically says that anything an admin/mod decides can be dragged under that section and can be a reason for closing a thread or banning a user. I'm affraid that some of you kinda abuse this "rule".

But that's ok, I can deal with that as I usually follow my common sense. The thing is that J-O-N:D doesn't seem to do that. The reason why I put up the wall of shame is because my thread got spammed by stupid comments- why didn't he deal with those spammers instead of closing my trade? The problem is that my only 'weapon' against spammers is just to hide their posts and that doesn't help much since once I had one, I get two more. And then again, if I report that, the admins do nothing or I get my ass whipped for reporting such a 'minor' thing. Or i get my trade closed for trying to deal with them on my own.
I'm pretty sure that if there was some more strict means of dealing with spammers, we would have less of swearing and less "common sense rule" violations. All you do to people spamming trades is hiding their comments, maybe sometimes they get a short term ban if they really spam a lot or abuse some other rules.
Everytime I report someone for spamming it feels as if I was doing something wrong or I'm affraid that I will be the person dealt with, instead of the spammer.. Isn't "No spamming" the first freaking rule on the User Rules list? Then why are you guys so negligent of it?

Oh and btw, I re-opened the same trade about an our ago and here's what I got: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8728461
Now tell me, what the hell am I supposed to do with guys like him?

Well, you know, you could, maybe, just maybe, oh I don't know.

Hide the post?

EDIT: Saying anything along the lines of "X will be reported" incidentally is against the rules. That bit about "not using the report system to threaten other users."

lol

@Xile, I'm looking for discussion only with admins but here's what I think: my price is my price, no matter how "bad" it is. There's a lot of ppl on the outpost looking for quicksells for 50% of the real price so it's nothing new or unordinary. Therefore, I see no reason why should anyone spam my trade.
No, I don't have to deal with it. Since I don't spam other people's trades with 'lol' and 'you mad' or any other retarded comment, I do not wish other poeple to post such bullshit in my trades.
There are some rules to be observed (the ones on the top of the list seem to be the most important, right?) and the admins are here to enforce those rules.

@Champ: 1. I already said that I did post those posts but it did not help. More people always come and spam again and again. Have you not...hmm...maybe...have you not read my post? I don't know.
2. Reminding other people in MY OWN trade about the rules is agains the rules? WOW. Just fkn WOW.

I'm not saying your opinion is worthless to me, I just want to discuss with admins since discussion just between me and you doesn't change anything.

I think that you guys don't see the difference between threatening and warning. Saying "don't spam my trade (which is against the rules) or I'll report you" is not threatening as in "give me your hats or I'll report you".
If a cop pulls you over and warns you about the speed limit, do you say "hey, stop threatening me!"? dafuq is wrong with you ppl...

You have a hide option for a reason, there is no reason to report posts that just say "lol", we don't hide things like that. We get hundreds of reports a day, often over a thousand, we do not need reports complaining that someone said "lol" on their trade. Reminding people of the rules is fine, if necessary. But telling people in the notes that you will report them is unnecessary, and doesn't create an appreciable atmosphere for the site.

Also:

Originally posted by I put my shooter in your pooper.:

I think that you guys don't see the difference between threatening and warning. Saying "don't spam my trade (which is against the rules) or I'll report you" is not threatening as in "give me your hats or I'll report you".
If a cop pulls you over and warns you about the speed limit, do you say "hey, stop threatening me!"? dafuq is wrong with you ppl...

That example isn't apt. The officer would have only pulled you over if you were already speeding. You don't get pulled over for driving at the speed limit to be told to stay under the speed limit.

Originally posted by I put my shooter in your pooper.:

Oh and btw, I re-opened the same trade about an our ago and here's what I got: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/8728461
Now tell me, what the hell am I supposed to do with guys like him?

FYI: the only reason that's what you got was because of this thread complaining.

Maybe it wasn't that apt but that's the same idea. I didn't put up that note until that guy posted "lol". So I had a reason to "pull over" as I could expect more of such comments coming.

I do understand that posting information like that isn't that good for the site but admins who punish those who use the reporting system FOR A REASON don't create a good image for the site either. If you get thousands of reports about spamming daily, then why don't you finally do something about this issue?

I know it would be time-consuming but you could introduce a system which helps you tag/give warnings to people who spam other people's trades and just ban them once they reach appropriate tag/warning limit. I know that there are some forums around the web which use this system and it seems to be working fine.
Telling people to just hide spam comments only shows us how careless you are about this problem. You do know that it doesn't prevent people from spamming and it is annoying as hell whenever I see a notification in my trades and open a trade only to see some dumb comments.
And I bet I'm not the only person annoyed.

@King: FYI, get a life, Internet Troll. Tf2op is not 4chan/reddit. And no, the reason why you posted there is not my complaining but the fact that you're an annoying d*ck.

Skipped reading half way though.

You're offering only 40% of the lower bound price and even only 36% of the average on bptf. Assuming that price is not way off, the only one that should be reported is you for making a troll trade.

Deal with it or spare us (and the mods) your whining! As Xile said, you had it coming.

The real reason you don't like the comments would be that you fear the idiot that might sell to you is made aware he is about to make a very bad deal, and not that you are overwhelmed by spam, isn't it?
I have absolutely no mercy for you.

edit:

Originally posted by I put my shooter in your pooper.:

If you get thousands of reports about spamming daily, then why don't you finally do something about this issue?

Agreed, ban those that open troll trades and report every single comment they don't like.

We sort of have a system like that in place, except the only difference is we use a 12 hour ban as the "warning". The definition of spam varies from mod to mod, but this is what I think the general consensus is:

1. Anything harmless, said once is ignored. (Just saying, "lol", it's a waste of our time.)
2. Anything racist or overly offensive is hidden and the user is banned.
3. Random lines of garbage, or clearly malicious text are hidden and user is banned.
4. Repeated small cases on multiple trades carry over. (We can view all a user's posts on one interface, so if they say "lol" on 50 trades, they'd get a ban.

For me, when it comes to spam, the question is, does it disrupt the trade, and would it offend a user who possesses reasonable sense and maturity.

Also to answer this:

Originally posted by I put my shooter in your pooper.:

If you get thousands of reports about spamming daily, then why don't you finally do something about this issue?

It's because most of this "spam" is not spam, and is in fact, users who either lack any form of self confidence, or feel that the mods and admins are their personal baby sitters and police force, who's only purpose is to defend them against someone who would dare offer a price we don't like.

Easily 50% of the reports we receive are complete and utter nonsense, some people even report their own trades to advertise them to the mods!

Originally posted by Champelliot:

some people even report their own trades to advertise them to the mods!

ahahaha ....

Do you at least ban these guys? I mean if they are reporting themselves they are kind of asking for it aren't they?

@Uranium: first read the entire thread, then you get to comment.I have no mercy for people like you who come to a thread, read just some of it and talk nonsense. You're just a time waster, yours and mine.

@Champ: ok, I do understand that some random comments like 'lol', etc. are minor things but why do I get punished if my trade gets flooded with comments like that? As I said before, looking for quicksells or simply lowballing is nothing new on this site.
I totally don't mind people making their own offers as I even usually encourage (not in the case of muffler though) to do so. What annoys me, are those meaningless unnecessary comments and the fact that you won't do anything about it and that we can't do anything about it.
I truly believe that you get so many repoorts about such a minor thing like this only because you are too lenient about it.
Tf2 op is a trading site, not some forums for kids to share their views on other people's trades so why should we let them do that?

Response to point above.

1. We aren't babysitters, this site is supposed to have a mature userbase, not people who scream "REPAFRTESD!" to every post they don't like.

2. 1,000 reports is a lot more than you think. A lot more. If we were to hide, ban, reason with, deal with the appeals of and the random adds of all the people who we'd ban for saying "lol", we'd never get anything done. I personally had the same views as you before I became a mod, they have changed, to say the least.

Your trade was closed because it had a hall of shame, which is directed at defaming other users, which is one thing we won't tolerate, so we closed it.

The hall/wall of shame was there to prevent people from making stupid comments but I understand it may be seen as defaming. I did warn about the list in the notes though. Anyway, ok you had the right to close it considering the above, thank you for the explanation.
Yet, I'm still not fully satisfied! :P The thing that was mainly the problem is the fact that the people spamming my trade with lulz were left alone. I don't care about a single lol in my trade but it's a different thing when it gets flooded with comments like that, eh?