Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Sorry its circular logic, anything that sells is reasonable, but prices higher or lower than tf sell all the time. Who judges whats reasonable? You? The guy whos screaming tf when you sell things anyways? So a price commenter by his mere existence judges what is reasonable because he always comments before an item is sold.... sorry but its just bad logic.

Who judges what's reasonable? The market. People willing to part from their items for a certain price and others willing to pay a certain amount for them. It's a range that is ever changing and that many people try to guess (bp.tf) with little or high accuracy. And of course that prices lower or higher than bp.tf sell all the time, they're well within this range.

Now, say 90% of TF2 traders sell a BMOC for 12 keys, and you're one of those stuck in their little world that thinks they can get 20 keys for one, "all offers lower than 20 keys will be reported!!". You cannot apply the "people judging what's reasonable before an item sold" logic here since there's already a market for it that dictates the price. A reasonable range would be 11-13 keys or even 10-14, anything beyond that is safe to say that won't sell until the market heads in one direction or another.

PS) I agree that the rule is a bit ambiguous, it mentions that deragatory statements aren't allowed. Not all price checks are necessarily deragatory, some are just informative, so a little clarification on the rules page would be nice.

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

How would you have reacted if I had posted the above pricechecks on norby89's trades instead of here? I would effectively ruin his trades because even after a hide, people can un-hide stuff and see these trade hurting comments. Further if it was not against the rules, I could politely remind him again, ever after he hid.

You are over estimating your influence. If I'm confident in myself you wouldn't ruin anything. If my prices are not unrealistic, I will find a buyer either way. It's people with unrealistic prices that fear for comments like that.

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Yea he happened to post a phishing link on one of my trades and I reported it immediately. I also commented on one of your trades that you're hijacked to warn others not to trade with him.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Honestly whats reasonable? Tf prices? Its a circular logic I guess.

Anything that sells is reasonable. Not too high, not too low. Nothing to do with backpack prices or anything like that.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

It has nothing to do with freedom of speech, its a trade posting site, not a discussion forum.

This is the reason why we have people selling $5 games for $60 and reporting anyone dare they say anything regarding their pricing on their trade. It's not that people can't mind their own business but some stuff is just too ridiculous to let go without commenting or warning other users.

Originally posted by MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™:

Out of date? If they have to go into your trade and comment they don't have options or are just wasting everyones time. If your trade is out of date then they should have no problem at all finding another seller, and just leave it at that, there i no reason to price comment...up to date or not.

And your point is? If they don't "have to" then they should not? Why limit freedom of speech, I thought this was a free market.

Honestly the only people getting butthurt are those with unreasonable prices. Everyone else can get along just fine.

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

If I were to post this not here but in his trades, I am sure norby89 would be upset, and rightfully so. It would ruin his chances to sell his items for the prices he wants to get. He would have to re-open them.

If you were to post on my trade in a respectful manner, I'd either agree or disagree with you otherwise I'd just hide your comment. If my prices are reasonable, a noob comment won't ruin anything and I'd still sell my item. Hence I wouldn't have to reopen any of them.

The only time you have to worry about noob comments and not selling your items is when your prices are outrageous, as in you know you're ripping off people but you're too afraid that somebody will uncover you, once your cover is blown you've no choice but to start off clean again and wait for your prey to bite. People commenting on such trades just want others to be aware, you reporting their comments is just taking away time from moderators when they could be doing something more useful, like handling the ever so increasing phishing reports.

As for my trades, did you know that market prices change over time? What was 10 Keys 2 weeks ago might be 8 Keys now or even 12. When you have loads of items you probably don't have the time and energy to keep up to date with everything. If anything a comment on my price being outdated would actually help me sell my items.

Originally posted by Bot AlienWhere? the Scrapbank:

How about you allow a set number of what you consider relists per level of donation?

Just 1000 times nope.

Besides you get a lot more exposure than regular members with the added bonus you don't even have to pay attention to the site to bump your trades.

Originally posted by ZakMcRofl:

Hi Regen, I would like to weight in on your post because I am one of the guys who constantly reports people for discussing prices. Why? Because there is a clear rule against it and it never accomplishes anything, so IMHO it should not have a place on any good trading site. Yes my prices are high, I already know that and it is sometimes intentionally to see how the market reacts to them. If people complain about prices all the time, I end up having to recreate a trade due to all the spam it is getting, which puts load on the server, fucks up people's bookmarks and takes me time.

To be honest with you, I don't see the point in creating a trade with a high price ahead of time just because "it will be worth x in 6 months". Maybe you're right but you have to remember you're still in the present. No wonder people are commenting on your prices if they're so high. Either deal with it or wait for the prices to go up cuz otherwise you're just littering the search results and that's why people get mad. Remember if your prices are reasonable (can be above current market price, just not ridiculously high), you won't get spammed with many useless comments and certainly not to the point you're forced to recreate your trade.

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Trade them to a friend or someone.

I'm actually collecting junk like this so if you wanna get rid of them, I can give you 1 scrap each.