Originally posted by Watson ℐℎℯ Crate:

I think they are. Pretty sure a few mods here said they close those trades if they say stock 0

They said that before that toggle was implemented. I do agree that once you go out of stock of something you should at least have the decency to turn autobumping off.

Not sure if a moderator can see whether a trade is autobumped or not. Problem here is you can accidentally bump your trade, or you can go out of stock right after you bumped it (making it look like it's on autobump).

Are you completely new to MvM or have you played before?

If you're new to MvM or you haven't played it much you shouldn't start on Expert. Even experienced players have trouble completing missions so there's no wonder that they leave when they see their team cannot even win the first wave.

If you need tips from good players join a Hard match. Ask them what class/weapons you should pick, where to stand and what you should do. MvM is all about ballancing, if a combination of classes is good for one wave it might not be good for the next one etc.

Otherwise just join a game on Intermediate and try different classes, see which suits you the best. This should be a breeze even for newbies and it's a good way to practice. :)

As for some tips:

- always have someone in your team who collects the money (usually a scout), this is essential and if you collect everything you'll even get a bonus
- spend the money wisely, always leave a couple hundred for the last 2 waves, you'll need this to power up your canteen and to respawn early
- about respawning, press h to instantly go back in game when you die, remember it costs money so don't waste it on the first couple of waves unless absolutely necessary
- learn to use the powerup canteen, you can fill it with all sorts of stuff then use it in the middle of a battle (temp uber charge for heavy, max building upgrade for engie etc) it's very useful and sometimes essential
- MvM is all about teamwork, your team must work together else you'll most definitely fail; communicate with your team members (a microphone helps) and always experiment with different approaches to completing a wave

There are lots of tips and tricks like airblasting the bomb carrier into a pit or picking up a sentry and running just before the Sentry Buster is about to explode but it would take the fun out of the game if I told you all. :P

I really hope they won't make another expiring crate, there have been too many lately (Scorched, Fall crate). 50 should be special though since it's kind of a milestone. I expect it to be an extra rare salvaged crate with golden chains like the picture above.

I say no. Even if they ask for 50% off, sometimes you barely find someone offering that much in a week (in case of unusuals) so you're kind of guaranteed to get at least half the price of your item's value even though you know you're at a loss.

They are obviously doing it for profit, with how much success? That's their business, as long as they don't shark people I see nothing wrong with it. You do not have to accept their deal if you don't like it.

I always found this rule weird. You require a public profile in order to create trades on TF2OP which is understandable, outside of that it shouldn't be anyone's business if I choose to have a private profile/inventory or not.

Maybe I don't like to show off my inventory because I get 10 friend requests from beggars each day, maybe I just don't like to let people know what items I have. Whatever the reason ultimately that should be my decision and not anyone else's.

Originally posted by Watson the Crate:

Likewise, which is why I am asking Pretendeer to confirm what I got from him.. That what I posted above would not be allowed

What you posted above is kind of relisting since you can simply create a trade in which you ask for:

H: 1 key
W: Hat A or B worth 1 key

Problem here is the site limitation, you can only put 8 items in your wishlist but might want more than that. Listing those items in the notes isn't really a solution, you'll end up with getting tons of offers with hats in your wishlist and 1 or 2 that aren't there.

The question we should ask here, why is relisting not allowed? I'd expect answers like it negatively affects the other user's searching experience, it gives an unfair advantage to the user since the same item will be present more than once in the search results etc. Does this even apply here?

Scenario 1:

H: 1 key
W: Hat A, B, C, D, E, F, G or H

H: 1 key
W: Hat I, J, K, L, M, N, O or P

User wants to sell a hat M and searches for people buying it. He doesn't want to see the same person's trades 10 times tho on a page. Well even if I have 10 trades similar to the ones above, searching for hat M will only result in 1 of my trades being displayed. Does it give me an unfair advantage? No, to the contrary it helps both me and the potential buyer to find a deal. Everyone is happy.

Scenario 2:

H: 1 key
W: Hat A, B, C, D, E, F

H: 1 key
W: Hat C, D, E, F, G, H

H: 1 key, 2.66 Ref
W: Hat E, F, G, H

User searches for people buying hat F. Not only is it annoying for them that my trade will show up 3 times but it also gives me an unfair advantage towards others since I have a lot more chance to find a potential buyer for the same hat. This IS a relist.

Scenario 3:

H: 1 key
W: Hat A, B, C, D, E, F, G or [Craft Hat]

Same user wants to sell hat M. M is an uncommon hat, if everyone followed the rule above this would only result in 1 or 2 matches, probably overpriced. Even though there are 99 other traders buying that hat at a better price, they're limited to putting 8 hats only in their wishlist and obviously they will pick the more common hats first. Conclusion, this isn't good for anyone.

The only reason why Scenario 1 should even be considered a relist is if I mention in my notes that I'm buying any craft hats for that price instead of these and these hats only. It sounds silly but I'd like to hear in what way would it negatively affect anyone?

Because when you go in an apple shop to buy apples you don't expect to be served bananas.

I've seen people shouting 'scammer' at others asking 1 scrap above the normal price of a hat. Most rude comments come from people not agreeing on a certain price.

Also trading can be frustrating, when the 99th person adds you who completely ignores your notes you begin losing your cool and you start saying stuff you don't want. I'm usually a patient person but it's been times when I've been ticked off by some idiots that really made me angry.

I haven't encountered too many rude traders. People who can't read though are plenty or who have a complete lack of common sense.

Originally posted by Frozen Fire:

Well, I can say that I'm against this Hearts rollback. It was nice to leave an additional comment on other users, as it was a way to record really special actions, such as traders particularly nice or items gave away for free. It was perfect, why trying to fix it? Now all we have left is a meaningless number that reminds me dumb things as Reddit, Youtube, Facebook like button, etc. (BUT AT LEAST youtube has comments!) You can't distinguish anymore clever feedback from random +1s, how can this be a good thing?

You can leave such comments on their Steam profile. What difference does it make if it's on Steam or TF2Outpost, nobody reads them anyway. You'll just skim through them at best.