Firefox and Chromium are giving me SSL errors when I try to pay with paypal for premium.

Firefox: "SSL_ERROR_UNRECOGNIZED_NAME_ALERT"

Chromium:" ERR_SSL_UNRECOGNIZED_NAME_ALERT"

Need help from the admins here.

Okay it is working now. I went to the steam community site, logged in, and the plugin reports "idle" after hitting disable -> enable for offer scanning.

Thanks for the clarification! :)

FYI I'm using Ubuntu 15.10, and Chrome, not Chromium.

I'm also very pleased to see the response about spinning up a VM to try to reproduce it :3

Originally posted by Sneeza™:

Just to clarify, you need to be logged in within your browser on https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/

If you're already logged in and it's not working then I'll have to setup a virtual machine this weekend to replicate the issue. Let me know what distro of Linux you're using.

I just installed the tf2outpost plugin for offers and such. Haven't had it long enough to form an opinion.

However, when I told it to enable offer scanning, it could not pick up that I am logged into STEAM.

I am willing to be this is due to me being in Linux. As such, I think this will not work for me without some form of update.

Can I get some feedback from a dev on this? I would like to leverage this feature, but I'm not going to use Windows.

I'm not following how that relates here.

Originally posted by Mjölgineer:

I would suggest checking out SteamRep.

I didn't see them in the inventory at the time. So at the time his account had no copies, but the bot presented it as if he would buy right when I (or whomever) paid. In that scenario, is it against the rules? (not in inventory, links to bot, will buy when I buy)

Originally posted by norby89:

Originally posted by Te3-BloodyIron@LANified!:

2) I'm talking about examples such as : ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27240583 ). As you can see, their steam profile does not have the game (asscreed black flag) in their inventory, and the bot doesn't either (lists as untradeable). The trade listing says the game will be bought when keys sent, and then gifted to the client.

I checked his trade and he has 9 copies which he bought during a sale hence why they are untradable. I'm not sure I see the problem here.

1) Thank you for chiming in. A tf2outpost rep (such as yourself) is what I was hoping to attract to this discussion.

2) I'm talking about examples such as : ( http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/27240583 ). As you can see, their steam profile does not have the game (asscreed black flag) in their inventory, and the bot doesn't either (lists as untradeable). The trade listing says the game will be bought when keys sent, and then gifted to the client.

The problem I see with this mechanism is that these trades never end, and supply never shorts, and prices never rise. This isn't the case for all categories, but this is the observed result I have seen in many cases. Not only that, it's hard to believe they would sell at 4 keys when the game is full price now, not on sale.

As such, this results in no supply/demand fluctuation, and competition cannot happen.

But is this against the rules for tf2o? I am uncertain. Should rules change in response to this? I would like to think yes, but again I am uncertain.

I understand that prices are meant to fluctuate, and that is why I'm doing this in the first place. But the health of the market is stagnating due to this kind of behavior being tolerated, and I'm rather fed up.

What are your thoughts on this?

Originally posted by norby89:

Originally posted by Te3-BloodyIron@LANified!:

Okay, I'm getting super sick of all these game listings selling copies they _don't have_. Why this is allowed outside of sales is beyond me. People are spiking the market with prices. 4 keys for games that are $43? How can we compete with this? games don't go up in price any more, and I have no assurance they will even sell me copies any more since I send keys first. If I'm sending keys, and it costs the dude on the other end $43 to buy the game, it seems probable they won't sell me the game.

This is not working, and I'm not even sure if I'm properly explaining this.

Users who are selling games and don't have copies in their inventory should explicitly state whether or not they're buying the game directly from store or if they're located somewhere else (i.e. in a bot's inventory, dispenser.tf etc). Trading items that you don't have in your inventory is against the rules and is a reportable offense.

As for prices, simple supply & demand. If there are too many copies of a single game and there isn't much demand for it, you can't expect to sell it for much more than its sale price. In some cases certain regions get better deals than others meaning they can buy the game cheaper.

Keep in mind that game trading with new accounts is prohibited on the site so you should be careful who you give your keys to before buying a game.

Originally posted by ReTired ツ:

The most important point is still missing, the point why there is this 30 day cooldown. This was done by Valve to prevent that what you are doing, by hoarding games during sales or buying in low-price regions to sell in full price regions.

This was done to stop ripping off the game developers profit by people like you. Only two parties shall make profit off the games, the developer and Valve.

This is false. That restriction was put in place to prevent fraudulently purchased gifts to be freely moved around. It was a huge problem before, scammers would buy games using stolen/fake credit cards, charge back a week later meaning all those copies had to be revoked. In that short amount of time those copies could pass several hands and it was impossible to tell where they originated from. With the new system you can at least use common sense when trading for newly bought gifts.

Completely region locking games has more to do with what you're talking about.

I'm not going to stop expressing myself simply because you tell me to, fuck you.

Gabe, in an interview (perhaps others too, but there is one I've watched), outlined that steam sales actually end up generating more revenue for developers/producers (not just units sold) by massive amounts, than without sales, and that massive discounts actually further perpetuate the massive increase in revenue. Trading of games on sites like tf2outpost does not prevent the developers or publishers from getting paid whatsoever, it actually helps drive further sales and revenue, perpetuating the positive cycle.

Whether you like it or not, STEAM trading is here to stay, and what I choose to do with my items is up to me, not you. If I want to perform trading from an economic perspective, that's not your business.

The whole point of tf2outpost is to connect traders, and the majority of that leads to people with profitable intent. If you don't like that, don't support tf2outpost.

Trading isn't about a zero sum game. Profit is required for the ecosystem to exist. This is necessary.

Hmmm that is a very good point, thanks! I should take this into account when checking prices now :)

This has been a very good discussion, I'm pleasantly surprised :)

I'm still concerned, but you bring up a lot of good points that may help me.