Just be glad it's not like the way google experiments with its UI, where it just makes stuff confusing, then when it seems like it gets good and is better they change it again. Snzeea's actually improves and is intuitive. For those who do not know the definition of intuitive it's a word cliched by apple that means it comes easily. I had to add that because I actually get people who ask me what that means, we have google and a ton of references, and god forbid use a real dictionairy.

Originally posted by norby89:

Originally posted by eddy |S:Dota2 commons>2 scrap|:

probably becouse those ppl are donators.

Obviously, also the whole admin team is part of a secret society plotting to take over the whole world and become the ultimate distributor of hats.

And let's be serious, do you check the Steamrep profile of everyone who you trade with? It's a good practice to do that when trading for high value items (unusuals, buds, new games etc), or a large amount of items at once but other than that...

The top line sounds a lot like the red and blue team being secret giant corperations that govern the Earth. Also I'm pretty sure Oupost stated that its a bannable offense to deal with scammers. I've seen people get warnings, probation banned and permabanned. So yeah I wouldn't do it either. But just saying you could have pretend you traded for it fairly and then sell it, maybe charge a smalle fee for risking you neck. I mean really there isn't a way to prove that entirely but still admins are still admins. Don't take this as a hint to help scammers. I'm simply pointing out you could have done just that.

I actually make profit on mine, well use to I quit trading for now. I sold my junk and donated keys and only bought the junk I wanted. Also a small investment in the stormy stash, I love the stash and stormy so it works out. Anyways I suppose the validity is all based on perspective so I'll leave it at that. My opinion it sucks that its there but there is technically nothing wrong with it, without being too technical that is.

Funny thing I use outpost a lot and I don't have a clue on how sneeza operates.

We need to pin the original thread of this somewhere we keep getting these. Speaking of work in progress how much time does Sneeza spend on his projects anyways?

So this trade has attracted quite the cesspool of comments. Just to keep this thing a bit more on track the question was why these trades are allowed. It seems like we are just complaining rather than actually talking about why.

Well with all the people saying unusuals are always personal preference thus the more complex pricing. But if the majority does something it happens so if scorching is slowly rising than probably people are willing to pay more because they like it or everyone that owns it doesn't want to sell it. Now I wished I had my scorching dixie.

Well I actually figured it out by trying a class in the search field butt I'd just like to say this is much better. Also I'm a little disappointed with the new server load bars, No Percentages.

Originally posted by KingOfHeart:

You guys need to realize something. When it comes to selling an item you need to realize that it takes time, sometimes more time then you want to deal with. Once in a while you will have an expensive item, someone offers an unusual which is like 4 keys more. You then accept. You try to sell and get no where. After a day, you slash the price, and still no buyers. Eventually you sell really cheap or sell to a quickbuyer.

I know, I got tricked into accepting an unusual thinking if I sold for 20% less, I'd get buyers. After a week, I said screw it and sold to a quick buyer who offers 50%

I don't even want to touch another unusual again.

Like he said it's really a war of nerves of steel and attrition all wrapped with tactics. Well that is if you compare it to war.

Really what I'm saying here is patience a redundant cliche we hear to often as advice and no one tells you how to achieve it. Well one way is to only buy unusuals you know you can actually keep for a long time if not forever. There are plenty of nice cheap hats that look good. Though as you progress through the ladder your old hats will seem like crap and you will never want to go back to such low quality hats unless they genuinely spark the exuberant spirit of owning a TF2 hat in you. Another tip I've discovered is when you are bargaining take note of the quality of the steel that supports their nerves. If it's adamant well it's still worth trying, if they are weak capitalize if you wish or not if you feel that it's wrong. But you don't have to have insane nerves of steel really to notice your impulse buying / selling in the heat of the moment. So stay calm.

You can hope that someday the rules will change or someone that can do something have the will to. But until then I'm going to stick with the tips I found from experience and whatever good tips I get from others. I'm probably going to employ the same methods if they have made such modifications. So like I said before everything is waiting game or luck. If you want something done really fast with no hassles you will cut your losses and take the deal. But it's a game do we really need it that bad this fast? Unless you're a avowed fanatic you might as well give waiting a try.

Originally posted by Swag Daddy Puddles:

Originally posted by Fuhrer Kitty™:

Due to the technicality of outpost there is nothing really against quick buyers the only time when it's practically sharking is when they really are. So by all technicalities it's fine. Not all quick buyers are lazy I would think it would take a long time to find a good quick sell.

Besides if there's one good rule to follow in TF2 trading it's nerves of steel, but a heart like a marshmallow. You can sort of say I make my profit by quick sell but I don’t actually say that nor do I do ridiculous margins of profit. Besides I only trade for hats I want and hats that I know I can keep forever or one with a nice profit that the other party is willing to let go of. However in the process I bide my time hoping to either have an exact 1:1 in price or a nice bit of profit mostly 0.1 – 0.4 buds. Although one time I made 1bud profit but that was just luck. I even pointed that out to the other trader, curse good nature, and he said he was fine with that.

Hopefully the jurisdiction of outpost changes and stipulates limitations or employs cleaver means of dealing with the problem. See the only reason why every mod and admin say it's okay because by outpost rules they are. However that will change with a powerful enough uproar to cause consternation in their adamant rules and 'just following orders' though I doubt that this will happen. If it does they will put light limitations with a good enough penalty that it's just stupid and not worth the trouble

Speaking of this it seems like we get a lot of people overvaluing their hats. I get offers of 1bud hats on a hats I own that are 3-5buds (not the actual price range of a hat but the range of multiple hats).

I think you're the model of what a quickbuyer SHOULD look like. However, if you go through one page of quickbuyers on outpost, you'll be hard pressed to find anybody that thinks like you. This is the average quickseller on tf2outpost: http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/7687665

You'll notice they have all god tier hats in the "want" field, state they mainly want high/god tier effects, and 99% of the offers have no reply. As the owner of a few god tier hats, this is what I have to deal with every day when I click on the "matches" tab. It's frustrating and wastes time. If there were some kind of way to at least mark and filter out these QOT's, I'm sure a ton of serious unusual traders would be happy.

Well I never actually thought of myself as a quickbuyer but I suppose we both fall in to the common category of making profit. I didn't mean to come off as saying quickbuyers should be more like me, thought it would better, I'm just explaining what I do just to say it. I also know the typical one on outpost rest assured, though I'm not and old grizzly veteran of outpost I've had plenty of experiences. In that comparison I'm not the juggernaut veteran you see in video games but a decent veteran.