https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWHXE3_xDMk

VNN made a video about it.

Originally posted by Feesh-E:

This will be a detriment to PayPal trading. You would have to wait until the escrow ended before sending your money, or waiting 7 days hoping the user does not cancel and scam you. This opens up more scams, instead of preventing them. It's honestly stupid, but you could use something like blustacks to emulate a phone environment, and load the mobile authenticator that way.

The petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/steam-escrow-petition

Heh. That got 5k responses in that short of a time eh?

Source:
-https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/groups/trade_tf#announcements/detail/38640603424492664
-https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3tnlzt/steam_is_adding_a_feature_where_if_both_players/


According to the data in javascript, unsecured accounts that aren't verified by the mobile authentication app (this is already a thing), items will be placed in limbo, unusable by either party when attempting to confirm trades. This is called "Escrow"

From the post:

"'What is Escrow?', After a trade has been accepted by both parties, if either party's account has not been secured by the Steam Guard Mobile Authenticator, then to protect against unauthorized trades, the traded items will be placed in escrow. During the escrow period, the items will not be available to either user. This allows users who have not secured their accounts to cancel any unauthorized trades and recover their items. Canceling all pending and in-escrow trades will place a trading hold on your account for a few days to prevent any further unauthorized attempts to trade away items."


Many users merely have a steam account on the computer, and don't own a smartphone or tablet to use this app, and, similar to the market/trading restrictions already in place, are going to be punished along with everyone else who only trades occasionally, in hopes that some fraudsters are caught in the crackdown.

There's a petition to sign on the links included, against these changes.

If every single pure-for-unusuals trade demands 70% off and is quickbuying nonesense, like they are now, if anything, THAT is an unrealistic skew on the market. Sure there are people who would probably pay a realistic price, but there's no motivation to advertise your trades like that when you can simply go along with what everyone else is doing, and lie that you're providing a "unique" service by offering fast pure for unusuals.

Give me a f**king break.

You seem to not care about other users. See how easy it is to interpret things based on wording? There's a difference between getting genuinely mad enough to start labeling a person based on what thier wording means to you, and thinking "hm. the site could be a bit easier to use like this, lets suggest this on the discussion boards, and hope quicksell buyers dont say "hurr durr ur jut mad".

I thought it would help the site, which is why i suggested it. If it really bothers you enough for you to invalidate it based off some reason you made up about me, then write it off based your own personal experiences, by all means suggest an idea which adresses the problem that (if not you) others may have, as opposed to focusing on me. This problem has been voiced before, and has been adressed in other places, but not here.

It may be fine to you, but you're not everyone.

Originally posted by Ruff Ryders Entertainment:

You seem just mad because you can't sell your hat(s).

It's less efficent due to the "bad" quicksell buyers on sites like outpost, but easier on other places like TF2-Trader's server where quickbuying isnt allowed.

It never ceases to amaze me what people can strawman up against people when they see a suggestion they disagree with. Should i assume that you're a quicksell buyer, and that your 10 autobumped quickbuying trades that just sit around there, cluttering up the site untill an amazing deal comes by would be hurt by this?

No. Argue the topic, not the person.

Originally posted by LiddoJunior:

As with many unusual buying trades exist, the higher chance as a seller you can find plenty of buyers who will give their offer. And you can take the best offer and end with pure and timed saved. These trades are aimed for the traders who want to just that and sell at a discount to get the pure within the hour and not deal with the hassles of selling.

I agree with everything except this part.

It's not as simple as taking the best pure offer for time saved when EVERY pure trade is a fraction-of-the-price quickbuy trade. Concequently it's very hard to tell who has genuine interest, or is simply hoping to get lucky that someone needs pure desperately. Therefore you have to waste time posting offers on these trades, with the very real odds that they'll hide you for not selling for 60% off the low end of backpack.tf

The bad quicksell buyers you mention lose nothing by leaving their unrealistic trades open, as the cost of remaking those trades is very low, against the potential profit in a genuine quicksell.

It's impossible for buyers who want to sell quickly, yet want to retain some semblance of value in thier hat to do so due to all of these trades. Plus, every quicksell buyer sold to has thier sales recorded as proof on pricing websites, as for many low-tier unusuals, it's the only way to sell them, contributing to the devaluation of unsuals as whole, and giving the quickbuyers all the more reason to do what they do.

Im not saying it's outpost's job to save the unusual market, it just makes for a lengthy and frustrating trading experience when you have to search through 8 pages of genericly overt lowballs on virtually everything.

The words themselves might be meaningless, but thier effect on unusual trading isn't. People use this kind of thing as evidence in price suggestions, and half the people either don't understand what quicksell means, or how rare it actually is. That, and everyone's definition of quicksell is wildly different depending on how good of a deal they're willing to wait for.

The most common 40-80% off the low end of backpack.tf depending on how cancer your hat/effect is, is downright silly (i've never seen anyone sell a 3+bud hat for , and in my mind seems unrealistic. The only reason items are expesive is becasue you should be able to get their value out of them, and if you have an entire website of people saying they're only willing to pay 20% in pure of what your hat's worth, and will wait untill someone comes along that's truly desperate seems counterproductive to the whole point of unusual trading.



A change that mentions the definition of unreasonable, and has people expect within reason of what they pay for would seem like a solution, without banning specfic words or changing the way people trade.

I see. Don't you think it would be easier to simply close trades that BUY quicksells, because people can already say that they're selling at a reduced price in thier own trades?

It's become common knowledge that everyone with pure wants more than what they have, and because it does happen that people actually do quicksell, would it not make more sense to leave it up to the sellers to mention that in their trades? It would cut down on the sea of lowballs that are pure-for-unusual trades.

Ie: if you wanted a quicksell, you would actually have to go out and search for one, as opposed to leaving a trade up all year demanding 4x your amount in unusuals.

Originally posted by POOP TITTIES:

Regulating a free market is a cancerous plague. See: Any country that has ever tried to do this.

Then why are weapon-to-unusual trades and others with unrealistic buyouts closed, but not "gib 4 bud hat fer 1 pure nao" trades?

Also, the united states does this. They have an organization called the Securites and Exchange Commssion specifically for that.