1) I'm not laughing.

2) Following rules is always exemplary.

3) You don't call people anything.

4) If you have real proof of a scam, report to the respective community.

5) Selling duped hats is not scamming.

^^

Originally posted by MEBJA Daraash:

Originally posted by Not_Duck:

It is your item, and it is your price, but when a trade only attracts trolls, its not something that should be up, it falls under the "common sense"

So, a trade don't need to break any rule to be closed, moderators can arbitrarily close any trade that not pleases them? I'm forbid to sell my key for 8 Ref? Can i list some trades with the same "problem" (overpriced items) for you to close too?

-_-'

I want sell my item by my price.

If you actually prove that people are buying, and not only trolling, it will be a different thing. All I see is a load of such trades that only serve to attract people unhappy with key prices, not potential buyers.

I agree with the above posts. It would be great to have an image for each payment method, it would make it much easier to find people trading for the methods we use.

Thanks Sneeza for the explanation.

Originally posted by Duchess:

I am not fond of this development. Perhaps, as a workaround, we--the OP community--can adopt a de-facto listing for different things like Webmoney and Bitcoin? e.g. Bitcoin = "strange real money", webmoney = "genuine real money", etc. Obviously we would have to do this in a way that works within the admins' new system, but I don't see why we couldn't.

The mods would still close the trades.

Originally posted by Duchess:

Edit: I assume this is largely a development brought about by Paypal, so as long as Paypal doesn't *see* listings for bitcoins, everyone should be alright.

I just saw a video in which the PayPal president says they are taking a close look at the Bitcoin currency as a possible funding option for PayPal accounts. They may forbid trading between currencies at this moment, but that doesn't mean they aren't watching the market closely.

Originally posted by dark-hello2:

You can't charge back either system, meaning that if you paid up the real money first, they can just walk away with all your cash and call it good for them, sucks to be you. That and bitcoins is also 1000 times easier to hijack than paypal. Webmoney I've never dealt in.

You are mixing things up, Bitcoin is a currency, PayPal is a business. Your analogy should be Bitcoin exchange sites vs PayPal. You must be referring to all the BTC thefts going on in exchange sites. This scenario does not mean the currency is insecure, it means those holding the currency are not doing a good job. Bitcoins are stored in wallets, and an encrypted cold wallet is very very hard to hijack.

There's a big difference when it comes to the PayPal and Bitcoins usage: PayPal protects the one who sends the money (for tf2 items), and Bitcoins protects the one who receives the money (anything). No matter how good your rep is, with PayPal you always have the possibility of being scammed. And if you have no rep you will have a very hard time buying for PayPal, unless you are overpaying or not spending much.

Also, Bitcoin transactions are public and can be verified by anyone in the world, while PayPal transactions are only recorded in the accounts that took part on it, and thus to verify a scam report one can only check screenshots provided by the account owners, and these can be easily faked/altered.

In both cases any transaction can be reversed if needed, by just sending the money or Bitcoins back. Charge backs are not necessary in virtual items trading, they are the reason why so many scams are taking place every day. People should be running away from refundable methods, not encouraging it, considering the steam platform allows anyone to create any amount of accounts for the sole purpose of scamming other users, even after being trade banned/marked in steamrep.

Both methods are not scam free (they both require two separate trades to be completed), but Bitcoins are much safer for high rep sellers and allow anyone with no rep to make purchases without any restrictions.

All money scams would be gone if there were a way to withdraw money from steam wallet, but we know that's not gonna happen.

I don't get it either. Both methods are safer than PayPal. Bitcoins may have a fluctuating value, but if both sides agree on a price I don't see why it shouldn't be used.

The only issue I see with bitcoins is the difficulty of obtaining them - they require bank accounts and accounts in exchange sites to be purchased (you can get them with PayPal but its not a good idea for a few reasons).

Supported. Many traders change their description and lead people (and price checkers) to believe that the info in the trade reflects the current stock/price (and most times it doesnt).

And I believe this should go under suggestions.

You can report misleading trades, they are against the rules.

- Yes, using the Upgrade to Premium will not grant you full Steam privileges. You won't be able to add friends or initiate a trade with a friend. The opposite (being added, accept a trade request) will work fine.

- Activating Dota 2 (or buying/activating any game) will give you all the privileges a regular Steam account has.

- The Perks popup will show up in the gifted account, but that usually takes a while.

- Upgrade to Premium = 300 slots and trading privilege.

- To trade you need Steam Guard enabled for at least 15 days, regardless of your account status.