Originally posted by | S.S. | creamy:

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

If no manipulation took place, it's on the seller if they want to sell their valuable goods for close to nothing.

Sharking: If a new player had a max head, and was very happy. Shark comes up and says, here I'll give you 2 ref. 2 ref is like $200! It's such a good deal! And the newbie trades the max head for 2 ref.

Not sharking: If a new or regular player knew prices and went and sold their max head for 2 ref not direct to buyer but open to offers.

In general, sharking is lying to get high profit. Since it's a community driven market, people can sell for however much they want to whether high or really low. Someone could sell their max head for a scrap, or 100 buds if they really wanted to.

So what if someone were to say "i'll give you 2 ref for your max head" and thhe buyer didn't lie about the price but the seller didnt know the value of the 2 ref. According to your defenition the deal wasnt a shark

So what you're saying is if Max Heads are currently 2 refined at a set price, the seller didn't know, but the buyer did? If it's a set price, community or not, and it was paid for at that price, or at a reasonable under/overpay, then no it wasn't a shark no matter if the seller didn't know the value of 2 ref or not.

Originally posted by Puregen:

Originally posted by Sir Skad:

This makes me mad.

Get mad

Regen I don't want your damn lemons. What the hell am I supposed to do with these?

Originally posted by | S.S. | creamy:

Is it sharking when you ask for a price on the item and not offer a price? What if you say "how much do you want for your hat?" and they say "2 ref." for a hat worth 2 buds? They wanted 2 ref nothing else. No manipulation took place, the seller stated his price and the buyer paid what he wanted.

If no manipulation took place, it's on the seller if they want to sell their valuable goods for close to nothing.

Sharking: If a new player had a max head, and was very happy. Shark comes up and says, here I'll give you 2 ref. 2 ref is like $200! It's such a good deal! And the newbie trades the max head for 2 ref.

Not sharking: If a new or regular player knew prices and went and sold their max head for 2 ref not direct to buyer but open to offers.

In general, sharking is lying to get high profit. Since it's a community driven market, people can sell for however much they want to whether high or really low. Someone could sell their max head for a scrap, or 100 buds if they really wanted to.

Originally posted by Blue Screen of Dea†h:

Moony, stop posting references to Bazaar. We do not tolerate people trashing other communities, indirectly or not, and we certainly would expect more from someone applying to a position here (for the third time).

Originally posted by Moony♥™:

By the way I think you flipped the rules around Blue. Wouldn't it be 10% or less for users with less than 200 hours and 20% or less for regular users?

I didn't "flip" anything, that was a copy/paste from the site rules: http://www.tf2outpost.com/about

Sorry if I made it seem like I was trying to trash Bazaar and I am sorry for my unprofessionalism. Also, I thought it would be the other way around since 10% would be stricter towards newer players, and 20% would give some leniency towards quicksale buyers/knowing/acknowledging traders that have like.. probably at least 500 hours?

Wait, do you use PayPal? Cause if you do, just change your credit card details in PayPal and you'll be all done. ^^

If you use BluePay since I don't have any knowledge in their specific merchant accounting service, I'd suggest talking to an admin or a moderator.

Many people either pay for premium, or just use adblock.

Originally posted by Blue Screen of Dea†h:

Main Rules #6:

No sharking. Sharking is defined as manipulating another user into trading/selling a valuable item for 10% or less of its accepted value (or 20% or less for users with less than 200 hours in that game). We participate in a network of trading sites that do not tolerate taking advantage of other users for personal gain.

So the main difference between buying Quicksells and Sharking is essentially one word. Cause really, some people haggle 50% off of normal prices when buying quicksells.

I'm not condoning sharking, because I hate sharks. I got sharked out of a green energy Vintage Tyrolean once. Got traded an HHHH for it. I'm just wondering really.. What's the difference? Yes, the person selling their hat to a quicksale buyer is agreeing to the buyer's prices, but in a sharking situation, the seller also agrees to the prices that the shark sets. Either way, seller loses value, and sharks and quicksale buyers gain profit. If sharks aren't allowed, then why are quicksale buyers still allowed? (Cause really.. they are annoying. In all seriousness I once saw a trade asking for 60% off set prices. That's not normal.)

By the way I think you flipped the rules around Blue. Wouldn't it be 10% or less for users with less than 200 hours and 20% or less for regular users?

Originally posted by Sir Skad:

This makes me mad.

Wouldn't you be mad if a person advertised a website very similar to yours? Posting a link to a competitor site may or may not drive traffic to that website, and the people that do click the link may never visit your website again if they loved the site the person linked, the original site loses members everytime this kind of thing happens.

Just take the time to go to backpack.tf.. Jeez. If they put set prices on everything, people would only sell for higher prices. Its fine as it is.

Multiple servers that are empty. I was talking with Sneez about driving more traffic to the servers, but right now there's no plans for them at the time being.