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[Unsupported] Smart Chaos Diplomacy (Apparently still necessary in 2.0)
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[Unsupported] Smart Chaos Diplomacy (Apparently still necessary in 2.0)

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UPDATE: Update 2.0/IE has apparently NOT made this mod redundant. As Dwarfs, I can't open diplomacy with Skarrbrand when not running this mod. So perhaps it is still needed. It certainly won't hurt your experience if you run it in 2.0.

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Have you wished that Chaos could negotiate with Vampires, Orcs, and other "evil" factions but keep the vanilla restrictions on negotiating with "good" factions like the Empire and High Elves? If so, this mod is for you!

This mod evolves on my previous mod (Diplomacy for Chaos) by only allowing Chaos factions to negotiate with factions that they SHOULD have been able to negotiate with in the first place: Vampires and Orcs. If you use Whannou's Forgotten Races mod, my mod will also let you negotiate with Dark Elves, Vampire Coast, and Tomb Kings.

When Immortal Empires drops, this mod will be updated to allow Chaos to negotiate with all factions they "should" be able to negotiate with. I determine this based on CA's aversion values. If the faction has a default -100 aversion to Chaos, then they are kept as always hostile upon discovery. If the faction has less than that (indicating they are not openly hostile to Chaos) they have been changed to allow them to conduct diplomacy with Chaos factions.

Note: If you use PJ's Change Starting Settlement mod and you pick a location that is initially at war with one of these factions I have unlocked diplomacy for, you WILL be locked into war and unable to negotiate. If that happens, just restart and pick a new settlement.

Save Game Compatibility: Partial. A new game is strongly recommended, but this mod SHOULD work for all previously undiscovered factions upon discovery. It will NOT work on factions you have already discovered.

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Like all GOW mods, this mod has been cleaned to minimize potential conflicts with other mods. This means my mod will not accidentally overwrite someone else's mod changes in an unrelated area. My mod will only conflict with mods that change the exact same things I do.
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Sin 27 May, 2023 @ 6:57pm 
Sooo in short, Dont use if actually current version of game.... Got it. Unfave
GOW LIKE A BOSS  [author] 1 Sep, 2022 @ 6:43am 
New and accurate: Update 2.0/IE has apparently NOT made this mod redundant. As Dwarfs, I can't open diplomacy with Skarrbrand when not running my other Chaos Diplomacy for all mod. So perhaps it is still needed. It certainly won't hurt your experience if you run it in 2.0.
GenuinelyEric 28 Aug, 2022 @ 1:53am 
Mod should be edited to exclude Vampires. Vampires are entirely antithetical to Chaos, and Chaos (and the Gods) arguably hate Vampires more than anyone else. Khorne despises them for drinking blood meant to be spilled in his name. Slaanesh hates the undead because they lack any sort of emotion and they're stagnant, living in the past instead of striving for new sensation and pleasure. Tzeentch hates them similarly to Slaanesh - stagnant, unchanging, and he's... The Lord of Change and all. And Nurgle, because Vampires are almost completely immune to all disease.

But there are so many non-lore friendly mods on here, lol. I'm just saying, if you're going for that lore feel, Vampires and Chaos should be at like -100 diplomacy right off the bat.
Vulcanizor 27 Aug, 2022 @ 10:45am 
Thanks!
GOW LIKE A BOSS  [author] 26 Aug, 2022 @ 4:10pm 
@Vulcanizor
Ah I see what you mean. I'll put it on my list to look at soon
Vulcanizor 26 Aug, 2022 @ 3:56pm 
But Chaos playing diplomacy with everyone is just bullshit ;P
So you're mod, if working properly, would be most suiting.
GOW LIKE A BOSS  [author] 26 Aug, 2022 @ 2:23pm 
@Vulcanizor
I believe Chaos can do diplomacy with everyone now based on CA's update. I haven't actually checked this mod since 2.0 since CA opened diplomacy for everyone and Chaos
Vulcanizor 26 Aug, 2022 @ 2:20pm 
Does this still work for IE, mister?
Sin 25 Jul, 2022 @ 10:34pm 
Okay, thank you.

Smart Chaos Diplomacy def sounds like my cup of tea then!
GOW LIKE A BOSS  [author] 25 Jul, 2022 @ 7:02pm 
@Sin
It depends on what you're looking for. If you want Chaos to be able to negotiate like any other faction, Diplomacy for Chaos is the better mod. If you still want the "Chaos Experience" of every "good" faction instantly being at war with you, but you want Chaos to be able to do diplomacy with "evil" factions, then Smart Chaos Diplomacy is the better option.

Diplomacy for Chaos also makes the game easier than Smart Chaos Diplomacy does because Diplomacy for Chaos also stops every "good" AI faction from declaring war the second they encounter you.