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i used the force download option in kaedrin's mod manager before commenting and it didn't work.
Unsubscribed and resubscribed manually and it's working now.
"The following mods cause a crash to the Database:
CLE_Loreful_submod.pack
The first invalid database record is Chasslo_Karag_Dum_forges in table building_culture_variants_tables and pack file CLE_Loreful_submod.pack
The application will terminate now"
And then the game closes
the normal mod works fine, with or without other mods, only when this is active does the game crash