As Listener, I do believe that Sithis has first claim to my soul. He is also the oldest entity in existence, so I would think he has seniority over all others. :)

Ya, that is what I am trying to figure out.

How do you summon her? Ive tried everything

Brynjolf is a Nord, I marry him. MY lass is Breton and since she is Daragonborn, she is welcome at Sovnguard. so rather Nightingale or Freedom from Nightingales, Lass with spend etrnity with her Brynjolf. What more could a lass want????

The entire point of Skyrim is to sell your soul to demon gods, why remove that feature?

Thank god now my nord can go to soverngarde

Part of my roleplaying venture is to wait for all the daedric princes to fight over my soul once I'm dead. Why would I want to free myself??

(sorry the reply can't be to long, so I'll need to seperate it to serveral ones.)

I know thie request sounds weird but I no nothing about modding, and I really want to become the grandmaster of the thieves guild (with his soul attached) and then head to Morrowind to meet Sapphire's father. ( I know you can have the story-line without being the grandmaster, but still, it's a role-playing thing.)

Again, thanks for the effort.

(sorry the reply can't be to long, so I'll need to seperate it to serveral ones.)

But sometimes I really miss the legendary heist in White-gold Tower and break the daedric curse and then become the protector of the poors, not a rich bully who have no soul, literally.

So thanks all you guys for showing there are people care about this, too.

And... still, can you release a LITE version for SSE maybe? I mean, maybe without Twilight Sepulcher closing, without summoning Mercer, or releasing Karliah and Brynjoff...etc, without anything that could mess up the game. I just need a dialogue that Nocturnal says "Fine, I'll release you." "I have no interests in your afterlife." something like that.Nocturnal won't even need to show her face.,just some texts would be fine.

Thanks for the reply. It's great to see people who don't feel right about the whole "sell your soul to a daedra" thing. it did raise some discussion years ago but very few modders try to solve this problem, and even fewer ones made a stable version of this. Like most of the community just don't care. I mean, right, it does not give any major impact to gaming experience, but it's a role-playing game, and the quest line just isn't convincing, not enough reason to give up your soul and serve a daedra prince for eternity.

I can get that TES4 and TES5 have very different tone in story-telling. In TES4 you feel like a hero, a champion, a ser knight, you even became a GOD eventually. In TES4 it's all about heroic happy ending. And in TES5, the story tried to tell you that the world is cruel and there is no happy ending. There's different beauty in both of them, I really get it.

So about SSE... I have it half converted, and fixed some bugs. But there was a major problem with controlling Nocturnal. In this old version it is implemented rather dirty but it does the job (mostly). After conversion to SSE it broke completely. I tried to rewrite the whole thing and almost did it, but not entirely. I have an idea how to circumvent the problem if not get it fixed, but haven't done it yet. And now got caught in Mass Effect series. So the SSE version will be coming eventually, but I can't say when exactly.

So... any luck on SSE version? Having look for this mod for a long time, now i finally found it but I have moved to SSE...Thanks for the effort btw

Lol I'm a vampire so jokes on her

Thankyou!
greetings. :-)

Subscribe any time you like, in any case it will do nothing until you finish the Skeleton Key quests.

@ilhe,
I just met Karliah and am on my way to Markarth and Calcelmo.
Question: do I "subscribe" your mod after finishing the Skeleton Key Quest?

The Daedra wouldn't let another Daedra claim the Dragonborn's soul, would they?
Plus, you just absorbed all the lifeforce from... hundreds of dragons, including Alduin. You'll live for a long, long time.

lol the dragonborn trolled nocturnal because no matter what he/she does, they have a ticket to sovengarde

A status update. After simple conversion to SSE the conversation with Nocturnal works super glitchy. The exactly same logics works fine with the old Skyrim, but apparently SSE handles scripts or quest stages or something else differently, so my little abhorent construction falls apart. Which is a good thing, because now I'm forced to remake it in a more thought-through manner. I've already fixed a few small things, like lipsyncs and missing image for Summon Mercer spell, but haven't uploaded that. And now I'm trying to remake that embarrasingly unstable stuff.

Was just wondering if this was gonna come to SSE? Thanks.

(uh....) this chat TOTALY is not crazy long! (nurvisly) he he he

Actually dragonborn 'sells his soul*' to: Hircyne, Molag Baal, Hermeus Mora and probably some other daedric lords that made him their champion. Gallus and others after some time were free to go when their contracts were fullfilled.

Dude, you are my hero. I know that technically in-game you never have to think about your character's death as it never actually happens without reload but this will be really helpful for my character's story where she eventually repents from her thieving ways. I was looking for a way out of the nightingales for a while. So thanks again :D

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*Looke down* wow that is a lot of chat..

@ Pixelxxx, with Dragonborn prior to the player there's a great variablity - the history of the Septim Dynasty and Miraak are at best open to interpretation and then the added variable if you're playing as an elf and/or a vampire it's very possible that your dragonborn would live much longer than a standard human lifetime. Lorewise the Daedra involved with vampirism are Molag Bal (in all cases) and Clavicus Vile in some cases. As far as the soul claiming business is concerned, if there was even one dragon left alive and it flew near your character's corpse the claimants would be left high and dry as your soul would be absorbed by said dragon.

The voice acting on this is... wow. I had a genuinely hard time believing that Brynjolf's dialogue when asked about his choice to become a Nightingale was done by a third party and not the original voice actor himself. And this is coming from someone who keeps Brynjolf as a follower and hears his voice all day long while playing. Honestly, top notch. Arguably the best VA work I've ever encountered in a mod.
(Also, totally unrelated, but I summon Mercer every so often just to kick the hell out of him. Yeah, I killed him once, but there's a certain satisfaction in repeated payback, honestly.)

And if you play the game by becoming a werewolf or vampire, becoming a dark brotherhood assassin among other things they will all have a bad time trying to collect your soul hircine or i don't remember the daedra of the vampires or akatosh or the night mother or this bitch Nocturnal will have a royal rumble just to get the soul of a dragonborn...

I agree.

They should have just let you refuse become a nightingale from the beginning anyway this quest is so stupid really

1) My soul is literary part of Akatosh. Her offer is very poor.
2) I am a fucking dragonborn, Can't I tell Karliah I can tear mercer apart with my voice alone?
3) Both Nevarine and Hero of Kvatch ended up being immortal. Dragons dont die of old age, what about dragonborns?

Just few things i noticed. Someone should fix that mod on nexus that allows you to refuse becoming a nightingale.

That's good to know, thanks for telling about the results! Now thinking about it, there also might be an interference with Karliah's outfit when you buy her freedom back... But if I understand correctly, Kryptopyr's mod changes her outfit on its own, and I was very careful with checks when is needed to change outfits, so I think there wouldn't be problems either.
Have fun with Mercer, while he hasn't started to have fun with you:))

Alright, great news. I have Freedom for Nightingales loaded after Nightingale Hall/Karliah as Follower and it runs without any problems (so far). I was able to enter the TS, Nocturnal's summoning activator was in the right place, and I was able to trade in my Nightingale powers. I'm currently staring at Mercer, so if anyone else wants to use these mods together, they should work fine. Yay!

I'll give it a shot and let you know what happens. Thanks :)

Don't think there would be any conflicts. I don't change existing objects directly, only via scripts, I did this intentionally, to avoid conflicts as much as possible. If kryptopyr moved the Ebonmere from its place, then you will find the "Summon Nocturnal" activator in a weird location, that's the only possible conflict I can think of. True that I never tested these two mods together, though, and can only speculate.

Ah, I don't think I can pick up this mod. I use kryptopyr's 'Nightingale Hall and Karliah as Follower' and it adds a portal to the Twilight Sepulcher. I can assume there would be major conflicts here. Gah, I'm sorry about that.

Don't recommend the additem command. It adds and immediately removes the item. However it still uses the weight and there is no way to remove it again.

@lavendermists Yes, player.additem command. I think typing "help nightingale armor/helmet/gauntlets/boots" should work.

Very, very cool mod. Is there a way not to loose the armor though? It's my favorite armor in the game?

i knew i wasnt the only one who felt .... weird about that

that's right ^^. thanks man

Yes, you are still the leader. One thing to lead the guild, another - to serve Daedra.

Am i still the thieves guild leader after i "unbecome" nightingale

Thank you so very much for this release from eternal indebtured servatude!

Thanks for the advice! My conjuration skill is still very low, so I'll have to get to work on that (and hope for the best!)

...and I lied about my conjuration, have just checked and it's 85 oops!

Thanks, glad you like it! About him deciding to kill you - the higher you conjuration skill is the less the chance he will attack, and the less the time he's hostile before disappearing. Even with my 100 conjuration he kills me quite often when I'm not fast enough to run away...

When I first tested this out, the game suddenly closed when I spawned outside the Sepulchre. I restarted the game and everything worked fine... until he decided to spaz out and kill me after helping me with a dragon.

Great mod - not going to use it for now (since I'd like to remain a Nightingale) but I'l definitely use it in the future. Kudos!

It finally worked ... But only when I gave the "Eye of the Falmer" to Delvin ! :D Thank you though, this mod is amazing !

It doesn't conflict with "Friendly Brynjolf", I'm playing with them both. Normally it only can start working after you have completed all the Skeleton Key quests - they end when you tell Brynjolf that the Key was returned to it's place and he tells what he is going to do now. After this dialogue the mod should start working the next time you enter the location with Brynjolf or Karliah, or the Twilight Sepulcher. So try to change locations. If it doesn't help you can try to make it run via a console:
startQuest ffnFreedomForNightingales