TF2 Soldier: Mann, we need to defend these twin towers from those terrorists maggots!! FOR AMERICA!!!!!

thare shood be a 2nd crash when red wins

sorry for the plane.....

What the fuck?

hmm what a peculiar map for tf2!

I wonder what the comments on this one are going to be...

no where i wasnt born yet

attack/defend lmao

the fuck is wrong with you

I hope theres no Plane,and the pilot named osama bindladen

where funni planes at???

WHERE WERE YOU WHEN 9/11 HAPPENED

Pyro can't melt steel beams.

just in time

incredible map

;"I am totally adding this to my map rotation.

aw yeah

based

insert argument

flying in a big plane sucking on russian vodka

Guys calm the fuck down. This is the internet, tasteless jokes run rampant. So, put up with it without an arguement, or be doomed to said arguement for eternity.

plane go vroom tower go bye

tf2 takes place in 1968... JUST SAYIN!

rip comments

Good lord the amount of salt here is unsurprising. aside from that, this map idea is honestly disrespectful.

mum: say aaaaa
baby: ALLAHUACKBAR

The fuck

HERE COMES THE AIR PLANE

lol, floof got nothing

twintower! thats where the airplane crashed in! thats bad

Shoot me with a rifle and burn my corpse

Life's a little too short to act so tough about a video game level you found online.

please make columbine next plz!!!

best map in please add valve!!!!!!!!!

This guy gets it.

memes

You ignored what I said. If we always address a tragedy with the same misery and seriousness, never trying to learn from it by looking at it a different way, we might as well forget it ever happened.

People reenact the Civil War. No one seems to give a shit about that.

And you defend it by saying that we're doomed to repeat the past if we forget it.

Nobody has "forgotten" the event. The idea that you pluck this proposition out of nowhere to defend this is incredible.

I'm amazed that this is up for discussion.
You don't think a re-enactment of a real event that resulted in the death of tons of people in a cartoonish game, in other words, as a joke, is offensive, because there exists media that also portrays events or times when terrible things happened?

Let me ask you a question. Does any WWII media, ANY at all, describe or narrate the act of Jewish people getting gassed?
And even if that were the case, they exist as stories, not interactive media where you can fulfill that role - and also, they're not shoddily degraded to a map in a comedy violence game.

Sorry for spamming, but I can't fit my argument in 1000 characters.
I agree with the creator. If we forget the past, we're doomed to repeat it. That does apply here. If we always address a tragedy with the same misery and seriousness, never trying to learn from it by looking at it a different way, we might as well forget it ever happened.
Never forget.

Or maybe you think it's disrespectful because of the mention of that famous conspiracy theory. Okay, why? If that theory is what makes it disrespectful, then you'll have to explain why the theory itself is disrespectful, because I see no other possible reason for why it would make this map disrespectful (it doesn't). Is it because the theory was wrong? Yes, we found out that the engine fuel WAS hot enough to weaken the support beams, or whatever, but how is that relevant? Remember, TF2 has an alternate history, as evidenced by various details in the comics. A cyborg dog is president in 1999, New Zealand became Kryptonian Atlantis because of a hippy scientist, and the gravel wars take place between the World Wars. It's not hard to believe that the whole twin tower thing WAS an inside job in this timeline.

Being disrespectful would be making everyone on the RED team Demomen or Snipers wearing the Desert Marauder and replacing the Announcer voice with Muslim phrases. It's really simple: Escape the building. Why is that offensive? Is it because most people died in that tower and we shouldn't talk about any survivors? Don't you know what type of ending Number the Stars has? We shouldn't address every tragic event with misery. Discussing something in a lighthearted way is perfectly fine as long as you stay respectful, which this map does. No memes, no custom models of Muslim terrorists, just a map of a tower and a goal: Survive.

And you know what? It's targeted at elementary school students. Does this sound disrespectful to you guys? Because if you think a World Trade Center map in TF2 is disrespectful, you should think so for a children's book about Jews in World War II. Would you say historical fiction stories like that are offensive? How about we say Battlefield 1 is offensive? Doesn't that take place in World War I? What about Inglorious Basterds? That movie doesn't exactly have the seriousness of a documentary.

"BLU team must escape the World Trade Center. RED must trap the BLUs long enough for the tower to collapse and finish their inside job."
This doesn't seem disrespectful. It's similar to how a movie or a book would portray a tragedy. I remember reading Number the Stars for a school project. It's is about a girl protecting her Jewish friend from the Nazis by posing as sisters. It's historical fiction. It isn't based on a real story like Schindler's List or Boy in the Striped Pajamas, but it portrays what Jews and people hiding them went through well. In the story, the girl and her friend deal with hardships, such as the protagonist being reminded of her real sister, who was killed as a member of a resistance group. However, they aren't miserable or scared in the entire book. Like other stories taking place during this time that have kids as the main characters, there's that slight aura of childlike innocence. There's some lighthearted humor here and there, and it has a happy ending.

shut up you insufferable tool

Humor is tragedy plus time.

How far up your ass was your head when you made this map

What are you gonna do next, make a columbine map and claim that it's not disrespectful because we'll repeat it if we forget?
What on Earth makes you think that your vile map will REMIND people of a catastrophic event? You don't think that it happening alone leaves a mark?
I'm going to assume you are just ignorant to what you're doing or insensitive.

Who said anything about forgeting it? I just don't think you should glorify tragedy in a humorous game. Doesn't that make sense at least?

Hey pallyo, "If we forget the past, we are doomed to repeat it" means that we shouldn't forget the causes of humanitarian disasters, not reenact them as poorly lit maps in shooter games.