I'd like to know more about this mod. How is moral changed exactly? Are rear chargers more impactful now? How are battles longer?

good job

Hey man, notice your mod isnt working with last roman overhaul, any idea why?

I note you said that this is compatible with most unit mods. Does this include the units from the huge Terminus campaign? Thanks

Do you have any more details on what changes it makes?

glad you like it ;)

Very fun mod, battles really feel completely different. A lot more organic and less mechanic than the vanilla. In fact, it reminds me of Darthmod for Empire, compared to the vanilla Empire TW :)

hm thats really strange
I will update the mod today, try again after that.

Tried that and I'm still not seeing it. It's really strange, I noticed that I am having the same problem with the realistic battle pack mod.

yes thats the correct name. try subscribing through the browser!

Hey Jack, I seem to be having a weird issue with the mod not downloading suddenly. I reinstalled Atilla and was redownloading your mod, but it is not showing up in the data folder even after subscribing and making sure it was checked in the launcher and launching the game. It should download jackless_combat_overhaul.pack right?

I love your mod Jack. Really appreciate the work you have put into this. I've had a hard time playing Attila after DEI Rome and FOTE didn't sit quite right with me. This battle overhaul seems to have hit a nice sweet spot. Thanks!

Does it compatible with unit mods?

does it fit with FotE?

You've done a great job with this mod. Been testing out every single battle mod I can find, and for me anyway, this one does the trick. Battles are way less arcadey, and so far not seeing instant mass routs like angry dude down there.

Well just screaming this mod is terrible without giving any feedback why isnt a good argument either.
I just want to make clear the difference between vanilla morale and the changes i made.
You have to be super aware to the morale of your troops, this is the deciding factor now.
I know vanilla was all about "flanking and spanking" but here you need to have reserves and keep your general where it matters!
Try it again with this in mind and see if its still terrible.

yes of course implying I am a noob is always a good line of defense

well mindlessly throwing units into combat isnt working anymore. To prevent Mass routs you have to cycle units in and out and not field armies full of levies.
Once one flank collapses and starts to rout you better have reserves to plug the gap or all of your army starts fleeing. Thats actually quite realistic and was the aim for this mod. If you like more arcade-style battles this mod isnt for you i guess.

terrible mod, units mass rout instantly, even the elite ones and battles end within 5 minutes because of mass rout

niiiiice thanks

Well if you have subscribed and activated the mod it will affect all battles, everytime!

Does it effect save games?

yes i have only modified global values and didnt touch any unit specific stuff.

Would your changes (eg. fatigue, speed reduction etc.) apply to mods that add units?

no i dont recommend it. It may work but they will override each other probably

Do you recommend using this mod with realistic battles pack? Mod manager shows no conflict between the two mods, but they do seem to edit similar things.

the battles actually aren't longer because units die slower but they run away a lot faster.
besides from that i like this mod, thanks

Cool, nice to hear! ;)

Need some more time to play with this but feels very good so far, might get me back into this game.

apologies, i've just realised the mod "legions of rome" added shiledwall to legio comitatenses and thats the one bugging. So its not a vanilla bug.

@Franklin
Can you specify which? I have just tested and my shieldwalls all worked!

Do you get like people dying on top of each other with this mod?

It breaks shield wall

Excellent ideas, love the idea of upping the realism while keeping the game still recognizable. Fancy I'll be trying this when I am able.

well i have adjusted the morale penalties so that you cant just put down a line of cheap spearmen to hold of the AI and flank around with everything else. Those spearmen will rout quickly. The engagements itself arent really longer than before but the units rout with much more men being alive so when they return to the fight they are still viable and useful.

this creates a much more dynamic battlefield that is shifting around. And for some reason the AI uses its returning units a lot more intelligently than the others^^

I'm just concerned that these changes will result in an easier battle for the player vs the AI. Longer battles means the player has much more time to think. Also, does the AI know when to pull back units so they can rest a little?

This mod seems good in PvP, though

ok Thanks man ill let you know

I dont know Matt, i have never played Seven Kingdoms but just try it and check if the battles feel different with this mod

This sounds Stupid but do you think this will work with seven kingdoms

probably not, as almost every battlemod.

Radious compatible?

Heavyshot increases the reload time and the AP damage of the projectile but it doesnt do more damage per se.

But things such as heavy shot will inflict maybe the same DMG on more armored units? idk, I have't tried the mod yet but just like Jacque said, I am happy about what this mod does.

You will notice the difference especially with heavy armored units. They will take less damage as i have mainly reduced the AP values of the projectiles. But I also had to balance it so that the AI is still capable of inflicting damage with their missile units.

I'm happy about what this mod does even though I haven't tried it just yet, this is exactly what we needed, since missile units are gatling guns and infantry just feels like shredded paper... I'd really like if this mod could make infantry ( no matter sword or spear ) defend better against missiles attacks when formation is turned on!