well, the idea is great, but I'm really overloaded with work to do right now. May be I will publish the model for free for anyone who want and can modify it, idk really.

i was contemplating maybe commissioning pittsburgh pccs with some special liveries someday too so idk

well then you can get use for my other PCC in LA livery

eh, i love em, and im sure some others still. im rebuilding LA in cities right now and as if it never stopped using the PCCs

sorry, but I have quit making PCCs, they are way too unpopular.

next pcc pls do pittsburgh 4000 series

@Ashai meanwhile, Moscow trolleybus, the World's largest trolleybus system until 2018, is now completely destroyed. 88 routes are gone with no actual reason. I hate it here

yeah, if its auto-friendly its not people-friendly

It is a streetcar (tram).

Is this a Tram, or a Trolley Bus?

Yep, I'm common with this black page pf American history. Alas, post-USSR cities often implements it here: look f.e. at Voronezh — the city, completely lost its large streetcar system (21 routes, three large car depots) in 2001-2009 as a "sacrifice" for auto-friendly road planing (the real reason of this lost — corruption, though). Last 2 years our local Moscow mayor destroying trolleybus system: half of near 100 routes had been lost by now. In 2015 Moscow Trolleybus system was the largest in the world, now — only third or even forth!

But other Europe including neighboring states like Ukraine develop their urban transit system, and it is really cool. I just returned from my vacation in Prague-Vienna-Bratislava and still have a good feelings about it.

here in pittsburgh we remember it more, and desire restoration, especially younger people who realise owning a car is more of a burden, however thanks to the people of the 50s and 60s for taking away the choice and basically forcing everyone to need a car

railed transit is seen as more desirable than busses to choice riders (people who could just drive instead for example) its just not as widespread as it used to (or should be)

theres also suburbanisation, which is another subject to be talked about for hours lol

moscow's metro system proabably makes the tram system look tiny, plus more people proabably use the metro than the tram system, i assume.

i could go on about what happened in the us for hours, but to simplify, its conspiracy level stuff caused by oil and automotive industries in the post war environment... im aware trams are around the world and thats good to me! someone into civil engineering...

meanwhile here we are trying to reverse damage caused by poor planning and other meddling the private sector of capitalism had done to undermine public transit... many people wouldnt remember pccs unless theyre older or know their history.

There are large tram systems in other cities in Europe, especially in East and Central Europe: St. Petersburg, Nizhniy Novgorod, Volgograd and many other cities in Russia, Kiev, Odessa and any other major city in Ukraine, near 20 cities in Poland, Sofia, Bucharest, Vienna, Berlin, Munich and many German and Austrian cities, Prague, off course. I mean, streetcar is much more common for modern European than American. May be that is why PCC's for CSL are not as much popular as they could be.

thanks, that was interesting to read!

here in Moscow we have about 400 km of tram track, 47 tram lines and near 900 cars today, but it is not even the largest system in Europe and is not enough for a city with 15 000 000 population. On the other hand, we have a large subway system and a bunch of busses / trolleybusses. Our tram system lost some lines in 90s and stagnating last 20 years: new cars beeing bought but there are no new lines.

In 1980s there were over 1000 trams in Moscow and all of they were Tatra T3, except 2 Tatra T6B5 cars and a few other Tatra cars occasionally (T7B5 and KT8D5 models). Many of Soviet-time Tatras were rebuilt on Moscow Tram Repair Work as MTT* cars and still works here, but there are no original Tatra T3 nor other Tatra cars on passenger lines today.

its being pushed to return in many places thankfully, though i hear in Minneapolis they want to have a Translohr of all things for some reason?? lol

the ones from my hometown were not pccs, they were local built and i think using Cincinatti chassis

pitt has 2 funiculars as well, and historically at least 11, and ive heard even around 21 here and there, proabably counting the doubled (4 track) freight ones though or ones in outlying areas for other purposes

yes, im more from the locale than the city, though personally im trying to relocate into the city

pittsburgh still uses a unique guage for its odd tram/lrt system, the system is unfortunately not as large as it used to be, being mostly replaced by busses in the 90s, however push to rebuild routes exist. Pittsburgh had almost 1000km of tramlines and 666 PCC's at its peak. Plenty of busses these days (included over 100 articulated busses) but in my opinion trams are better! shame the transit systems of the us were more or less destroyed in many cities in the 50s, 60s and 70s, guess pittsburgh was lucky in ways, its not as ruined i say

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yep lack of this annoys

Soviet block countries made there own way: Bulgarians built large articulated cars, Romanian built strange and ugly stuff, Soviets — a lot of different, but similar at the second sight models (KTM, RVR, LM, LVS ) mainly based on Tatra, Polaks built Konstal cars, which were basically Tatra clones. Czech built Tatras and these rolled everywhere. Tatra was a license-built PCC car at it origin, so basically there were only PCC cars or Tatras, which are also PCC cars.

oh, you are from Pittsburgh, I guess. As far as I know your city had a wide streetcar system with a bunch of PCCs.

yes, you are wright there: most West cities had their own models before WWII, but after that the most part of the tram systems there declined and were closed. Then the standardization came: all countries both in West and East had the standard models to build by different manufacturers. This standards were all based on PCC and influenced on each other: If you look f.e. on Duewag GT6 or other GT6 cars and compare them with SGP cars from Austria or articulated stock from Rome or Milan, you will find them very similar as they actually are.

we have Seimens SD-400s and CAF units these days

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i see. were there many local made and pretty much exclusive to the local area, trams? my hometown had a few of such, sadly no examples exist anymore. i call them WTCs..(i dont know of any official name)

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Tatras never ran inside East Block and Yugoslavia. There are three exceptions: Norrkoping in Sweden, Oslo in Norway and New Orleans. Most known West European trams are standart German cars like Duewag or Man T4, GT6, GT8 and so on (they aren't in CSL yet), and modern cars like Citadis or Bombardier.

pretty bois there <3 i see now, (they seem a bit narrower) but would they still be as well known as other more common european trams?

some had different, but wery similar: http://transphoto.ru/photo/11/63/67/1163677.jpg (Belgium), https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8530/8454709999_2145067961_b.jpg (Belgrade, Yugoslavia) — these were built in Belgium and also served in France. But some cities, like Barcelona in Spain or Sarajevo in Yugoslavia had ex-USA PCCs from Washington DC, as some Italian systems.

weren't those some different model of pcc? im not that familiar with european trams, outside of T3's though

I guess you are right, although there were plenty of original PCCs in Europe: in Belgium, Holland, France, Yugoslavia.

well im sure the people who got these love em, i do <3, ya gotta figure tho, the others been out longer, and are more well known in this game which i wouldnt be surprised has more european players

Actually the release of these disappointed me a bit: i've made a quite nice model of one of the most numerous and beautiful cars in history, but it has only 400 subscribers, while my Soviet trams, which "everyone hates", has 3500-5000 subscribers

i know ive had it since, i thought i commented already but saw no one did!

Man I've made it in March)) but still glad you like it.

im so happy that these were finally made! i cant build an american style city without them