+1 on the sliders for each trait.

+1 on the below comment - unsure how hard it is, but would be awesome to have slider options so we can tweak the changes

Take your time, but is it possible to have a setting where we can use our own settings? Because it would be nice to still have the higher opinion for the more beautiful pawns.

Cucumpear you got a point and I'm here for it.

yes! YES!

Yeah, I'm planning to update. I suspect it works as it is now, but I haven't had the capacity to test it.

Will there be a 1.5 update? please PLEASE? i love this mod too much to let it go.

I had to quickly look into the code because I didn't actually know/remember how that works.
Short answer yes.

Long answer: It doesn't directly affect genes, but genes and traits are combined to the pawn's beauty stat. It doesn't matter if the pawn is genetically (un)attractive and/or has any of the pretty spectrum traits. How other pawns react to them is just due to the final score. There's no dynamic scaling so +6 and -6 are the most opinion offset you will get.

Does this affect the unattractive genes

I wonder if it would be possible to scale this by colony wealth? (ie. the same thing that scales the expectations)

In a poor colony, no one cares how you look, if you can farm or fight off wild bears, you're good.

If everyone is living the high life, the maybe looks start to matter more.

What you guys can do to customise the amounts, is that you can go in the mod's folder, go to Defs, then ThoughtDefs, where you can find an .xml file. There you can tweak the amount you want.

I also found the debuffs to be rather... steep. I'd like to join the line and ask about progress for costumisation. Interest in this mod is definitely there.

This mod should be called "any port in a storm"

i think a scale for this would be cool if your still updating this.

Hi! I wrote to you a couple weeks ago about a possible change to your mod. Has there been any progress made?

I really like the idea of this, but I would also like the ability to scale them myself. I don't mind the numbers being kind of big, but I don't want them to be so huge that they're overwhelming. -20 to +20, worst to best. I'm subbing, but not using it just yet; if there comes about a way to alter the buffs/penalties (halving them would be a good idea, as someone below me said), I'll use it forever!

Maybe I can finally figure out how mod settings work. If I can I'll do it that way.

Hi! Big fan of your mod! -40 for staggeringly ugly is just say too low an opinion debuff. However I found myself missing some of the social volatility from the base game. I know when asked previously about a sliding scale you said you didn't have the time to implement it. But I was wondering if you could instead make a variant mod that instead halves the opinion values from the basegame (beautiful goes from +40 to +20, creepy breathing from -25 to -12). I figured that reposting the mod with altered values instead of rebuilding it would be simpler on your end.

Finally some damn sanity, bless you.

thanks so much for this. it especially drove me nuts when a colonist would get a scar defending the base and then suddenly everyone hates them even though they've always been a valued member of society. :/ basically this is just what the doctor ordered!

Thank you for this mod! The magnitude of how important the vanilla beauty stat is always bugged me. You wouldn't treat your sibling like a stranger just because they are ugly, or a stranger like your sibling just because they are beautiful! (both sibling and one point of beauty give 20 opinion)

Also if you are able to, it would be cool if certain pawns (e.g. ones with Bloodlust or any other positive combat trait, who have a combat-related background or maybe ones with passion in shooting or melee) had instead of a slight negative a slight positive opinion for disfigured. Instead of "Ew, look how they messed up your face" going "Damn, cool scar bro! How'd you get it?"

This mod makes sense since a colonist's priority should not be to look the most incredibly good looking, but in fact to not be conquered by robots or tribals. I on the other hand think the buffs/debuffs have been reduced to becoming borderline irrelevant. If others were okay with it a +/- of 2 or 3 would be better. Ideally there would be mod options but I appreciate that takes time you said you don't have atm. Either way, thanks for the mod :)

Thanks for creating this. Kinder Colonists was a must have imo.

no worries, that's cool. thanks again.

I don't currently have the time to implement something like that, sorry.

hey just wondering if it is possible to implement like a sliding scale mod option, or to just input my own opinion values? I suppose I could just try modding my own preferences myself, but just thought to ask. thanks for everything.

I was just trying to compare mod affects and realized if yours does scars I had a reduntant mod that did only scars, yours is better if it reduces scar penalties.

Disfigured could mean scars which is why i asked to be sure.

Yes, I should probably update the description. I believe some of those terms have recently changed ^^

Disfigured is meaning the scars and such right?

Glad you figured out what's going on, thank you for letting me know! ^^

Update: I disabled "SF Grim Reality" and it started working again.

It looks like the mod isn't working due to an incompatability with an other mod, as it will work if every mod is disabled. I don't really know how to send a load order, so do you know of any incompatible mods?

Well, there were minor changes but nothing that should break the mod. I've cleaned up the code a bit and updated.

Unless you have other mods changing the same things, load order shouldn't matter. You can always load it last to see if that changes things (if it does, some other mod overrides the tweaks).
But I haven't personally played with the most recent update. I'll check if anything has changed that would break the mod.

This mod isn't working for me. Is there a specific required load order?

Sorry if I come over a aggressive, that is not my intention. And thank you for adding this information on the mod page.

You don't, The only thing you have to do is not be super aggressive about asking. Turns out modders are people too who are sick or busy.

So you're basically saying I need to install the mod and find out for myself what it does?
You know that is a bit problematic for people who already have a large mod list which may include mods that overlap with this one?

Quite a lot, you have a glimpse of that on the mod Thumbnail (or how to call it).
for example Beautiful = +40 => +6

reduces by how much? what are the new base values?? this is stuff I want to know when checking out mods.

"Reduces the opinion offset for disfigured, pretty, beautiful, ugly, staggeringly ugly, annoying voice, and creepy breathing."

Can you tell us what the mod actually does? I don't like getting mods that I think I like but have no proper description of the changes they make.

or being near to beautiful causes berserk because they force themselves...

Can you imagine being staggering ugly does psychic shock to enemies and goes berserk if they get to close? I would like to be ugly if it benefits my combat prowes in exchange of social. I wouldn't mind if it kill the enemies. kinda op but the idea of being a medusa is really appealing.

@Space Wizard Federation I like that Idea, a trait having a battle scar, it's like transhumanist but instead he want scars, that boost morale to both melee and range fighters, or increases their toughness everytime they have scar... Imagine a bloodlust masochist brawler that also in pain and happy and more tougher.

Or being staggering ugly that even the enemy cowers in fear, or a 15% chance to stun an enemy by just getting 2 tiles close to it...

Or having a beautiful colonist adds more raid points like Helen of Troy.
Or having a terrible people like a pyomaniac, cannibals, and psycopath that may lower the raid points for being notorious.

people who are into disfigured people has mood buff if getting paired...

If only I got the talent to make a trait mods i would, but I am just a dumdum.

Thank you it's so annoying that being beautiful automatically makes you better than being someone's mother. And, you saved me, but oh my god did you have to get disfigured doing it?

There would likely be cases where 'Disfigured' flips onto its back and does as current culture does, people are attracted to scars. Sure if your missing over half your nose and thats all scar tissue, its a bit off-putting, but a scratch scarnwould likely attract instead of repulse some people.

So, maybe it would be better to make the disfigued status take a lot more damage to even pop up, or even be removed all together.

I really like this idea, I have met a few people in real life with some of these issues, like disfigured, and even one with what could be called creepy Breathing.
But after learning about them most of the time it was things they could not help, medical so i got used to it, but dont get me wrong still a little weird but they where cool people.

Matt - did you actually enable it in Rimworld to? Just subscribing to it here won't do it.

so... one of my colonists has staggeringly uggly and it applies a -30 social thing despite having the mod installed?