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About the Chud, we don't know if they were ever an actual tribe. If they were, they have totally disappeared. Probably was a common name the Slavs used of (some) Finnic tribes.
The land of the Jem is Häme in Finnish, the land of the Sum is Suomi in Finnish. So there is some likeness in the Slavic names they used in the Primary Chronicles. But Chud doesn't remind any known tribe. The "Chuds" has been translated into Finnish as "tsuudit" and is used when referred to this "lost tribe".
Antinormannists make a point that even Sagas don't mention people with name like Rus, nor does any historian names them among Scandinavian peoples. The Novgorod Chronicles has this creation myth of the Rus empire, and name the foreign establishers. And then we have a problem when the Rus are listed as foreigners.
Thanks!
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27%E2%80%93Byzantine_Treaty_(907)
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27%E2%80%93Byzantine_Treaty_(911)
A very nice example of that is the first written contract between the Rus and byzantine greece, where all or almost all names of the Rus were of scandinavian origin, but the gods to which both parties swore to uphold that contract were Jesus for the greeks and Perun for the Rus. If they were full-fledged scandinavians, they would have sworn to Thor, the fact that they swore to Perun already shows a high degree of assimilation.
I've heard in Russia there are these normannists and anti-normannists. But anti-normannism is not fake science if it is supported by many Russians. In fact my sense says they are right, and normannism is the fantasy ideology.
Anyway, the people ibn Fadlan met were MOST LIKELY, if not Turkic, then Slavs or Finnic peoples or Balts as they were the people of Russia. Scandinavians would have been like 1 out of 1000 (and then could as well have been Saxons or Flemish too).
Given the facts, the current state of the science says, it is most likely that at least at some point in time, there was a bigger presence of scandinavian peoples in modern day Russia.
This wikipedia page explains these things much better than i can: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people
Of course there is also the anti-normanism movement, but it is generally understood as fake science, and it is most often used with a political bias to achieve certain political goals.
Claim that some names could be a Slavized Scandinavian names has been equalled the names being Slavized Estonian names. But what it surely means they didn't speak any Norse language.
The russian primary chronicles in particular, and the chroniclers who wrote them down, did have a very strong interest to write a "foundation story" for the russian state, and to present the leadership at the time of writing in a certain light, give this leadership or certain parts, certain dynasties of this leadership more credibility, to help them solve current issues and ensure that their kids will keep the throne.
As to how much this nordic military elite was related to the supposedly "Rurikid" dynasty, we will probably never find out.
Where western Europe wants to be in the future, Russia already was 1000+ years ago.
From wiki: "It used to be a prosperous trading outpost in the 8th and 9th centuries. A multi-ethnic settlement, it was dominated by Scandinavians who were called by the name of Rus'. For that reason, it is sometimes called the first capital of Russia. "
More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staraya_Ladoga
HIP is a popular mod that changes so many things that HIP-compatible mods live in their own world.
When you play vanilla, you use regular vanilla mods like my mod. And when you play HIP, you need special HIP mods, like the one you linked.
Vanilla mods are not friends with HIP mods, they will bite each other and break the game.
If you see any particular bugs then let me know and i will fix, other than that i wouldnt even know what exactly to update. Are there some missing links that i have overseen? Is something about the trade posts and their buildings broken? Please let me know.
HIP compatibility, i have no idea, but most likely not, doesn't HIP already have a shitton of trade routes that connect to almost every province on the map?
I am not sure if its compatible, i don't know the other mod, but this mod is designed for maximum compatibility, and if its still not compatible then there is nothing i can do.
Save game compatible, yes, you can add and remove this mod to/from existing savegames. If trade posts or buildings were built, they will simply disappear if the mod is removed.
Great mod! I love historical immersion in games!
Just a few questions,
Is your mod compatible with the "In heaven’s Graphics overhaul" mod?
I'm asking you because, I'm not sure if it changes the hall map entirely or just the textures..
And secondly, is it save game compatible?
Thanks!
This mod is supposed to be historical though.
Ladoga has sea access. And Ingria was swampland and some tiny finnish tribes living there, all the way until Peter the Great.
I have no problem with anyone forking this mod and changing it in any way, feel free to copy it and publish your own variation.
Homework for you, Unidog:
1) read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staraya_Ladoga
2) write here, 20 times, "i will do at least some basic research on wikipedia before telling others what is right and what is wrong"