Wow! Fabulous puzzle thank you!

You're welcome, now I can go rest my brain!!!

@Falso thank you!

This was a great puzzle had me thinking and trying all kinds of different cube placements. After spending much time think how to solve this, it finally came to me. Thumbs up!!! My solution CLICK HERE.

i recently played(took me a long time) narkodes map so it was fairly fresh in my mind. nice remake. sstill took a sec to remember the important moves

Very nice, thumbs up!

Hm ok. Personally I don't see a way to swap the laser cubes. That's why I asked :p

Nah it doesn't really lead anywhere.

Hmmmm. Please record a video :D I'm wondering

Allright maybe not the full swap. I just managed to swap reflector cubes and assumed it's possible.

I don'T know how I should do it.

It just is. You can try it in this version as well.

how would it be possible via exit room portal?

Whoa, laser glitch. That would be the 4-th solution then (I thought you just used a portal in the exit room).

https://youtu.be/d-YUPcJTlU8

Update 9: back to normal, antipolux stays (because goo doesn't help at ALL).
Allright I reproduced your swap via the main hall, that would be a third solution. Let's just consider this is a map with 3 intended solutions, find all 3 and you beat the map. BEEmod stuff is absolutely out of question, that wouldn't be a Classic version then. Cube placeholders stay because aiming without them makes an absolutelly horrendous experience, at least for me.

Of course. I can drecord a video.

> still possible to swap the cube via main hall
really?

I don't like the changes. Now there are 6 buttons in the map, two additional lasers and an additional laser relay (confusing signature included) - with the result that it is still possible to swap the cube via main hall :D And because of the button in the middle room, the laser for the third cube has a suboptimal direction now (otherwise the button would block it). The laser angle and cube positioning feels a bit sharp/unnatural. What bullfrog meant (I guess): the cube button in the middle room makes it very obvious where you have to place the laser cube in order to reach the third-cube-area. No thinking needed :(

How about deleting the (not-working) OR-gate and implementing a... green fizzler instead? :p

OK, thanks. Yep, I suppose I put that badly; what I meant was, IF your original design didn't have an unintended solution, the solution you wanted was less obvious... but I'm not sure if that's any clearer either :P

@bullfrog you could swap weighted cube for the second reflection cube without closing the portal but it's essentially the same, at least you can't swap them through the main hall. I don't get how I made it easier eliminating an unintended solution.

...hopefully this is your intended solution ? I like the ”antipolux measures”, but see why you didn’t want to do that or the OR gate. Assuming I’ve got your intended solution; the solution to this version, 8, is more obvious than the original, so 4/10 is probably about right. It’s still an excellent puzzle and is still added to my favourites, but it’s a shame the first version - which I’d put at 5/10 or even 6/10 difficulty - was breakable. Anyway; I’ve definitely spent long enough playing the various versions of this puzzle; it’s been fun, but time to move on. Cheers

:) i'll look at latest version and try again in morning

@bullfrog yeah, your second video https://youtu.be/dWcDEeJv0VM and the swap is about right. OR gate looks ugly as hell but I couldn't think of a better way. I could hide it but it would be wrong.

@bullfrog version 6 is obsolete, version 7 has an OR gate now to force intended solution.

Is this your intended way in version 6: first part second part[/url] ? I’ll look at latest in morning ;)

Update 8: fixed antline, moved exit button.

Update 7: forced intended solution, antipolux measures.

@Polux Well, shit. But it doesn't mean ANYBODY can do it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgSyZsYFCE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmI09ArskNs

@Joric there's a very easy way to play co-op maps solo in split screen mode. It's a lot of fun in my opinion and it gives you access to some really good maps like the window walker series. But if you don't want to, that's fine.

Ah, I forgot about that. Sad! I prefer coop maps in general, often they contain a lot more logical steps and feature new "mechanics". To use 4 instead of 2 portals makes an huge difference.

@Narkodes they're coop maps :( I don't want play coop. If only there were singleplayer ones.

Try my window walker series ;) The first map had (in the first version) those weird floor obervation rooms. That was the concept idea: player-exclusive window buttons. When I updated the map (with newer beemod), the observation rooms changed to... observation rooms, but without that absurd rotation.

Tried to force the proper swap using an extra button to disable the fizzler but couldn't pass the map with it, so the map stays as is. :) Added a link to the observation room glitch screenshot for the history https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1652520706

Yeah, the first version usually is the best before all sorts of grating, extra fizzlers, etc. are added. It's unfortunate that that happens, but it's really rare for a map to be perfect on the first attempt. :(

@Narkodes, ok, back to normal. First version is always the prettiest, no exceptions. I added a bigger glasss wall and made the exit room a bit roomier. I don't want to use 3 buttons out ouf the respect to the original and also because it would be super ugly. I'm willing to take the risk of climbing with 2 cubes, because goo makes it borderline impossible to climb without losing the cubes.

nah, I won't. Climbing with 2 cubes is possible, did it sometimes, but I'm so incredibly bad at it.. The most people can't do this, but I'm a perfectionist sometimes :p Another way would be to add 2 buttons in the exit room instead and then connect all 3 buttons with the door. It's something I wouldn't do, but it's possible and avoids the glass-goo-stuff. It also makes the map a bit more ugly (I hate it when a room contains too many buttons) and obvious what's to do.

Since you refuse to work with beemod, I don't have an idea how to force the intended swapping.

Update 5, ok let's stop fooling around, be professional. Strip placeholders make it a bit lighter.
@Narkodes, could you upload a video of climbing? I can't for the love of god do it with 2 cubes.

In order to prevent the possibilty of abusing a stockpile of 2 cubes, you still have to add water. It has to be impossible that 2 cubes can get in contact with a wall near the glass. This would work for example: https://www93.zippyshare.com/v/bLF6Pwti/file.html

The picture also contains the way Atom marks "cube places", so maybe take this if you're not a fan of the grating-goo-combo. Or delete them completely. The window on the floor doesn't fit with the rest. I think the map is now waaay to dark. Liked the first version a lot more. I also suggest to enlarge the tiny room a lil bit. The glass near the cube dropper (3) is a fine addition, very good! :>

Update 4, occasionally placed an observation room on the floor and decided to upload it just for fun. I am a silly silly fun boy (c) Pete Holmes. I'll fix it later, probably.

Update 3, cosmetic changes: default PTI thumbnail, exit room fizzler pushed towards the corridor.

Update 2, cosmetic changes: fizzlers moved a bit away to prevent cube throwing, fixed crossed antlines, exit room made smaller, stone block on the exit replaced with a glass panel, removed the second window in the laser room.

Ah, understood.

@bullfrog, I mean you're not supposed to carry cubes out of the laser room through the fizzler area, there's a way to swap all three cubes using just the portal on the wall.

Not sure I understand what you mean. Any-road-up; it's an excellent puzzle; thumbs up and added to favourites :)

@bullfrog the intended way is perhaps is use portals for cube swapping but I probably can't force that without using those ugly green fizzlers from BEEmod. Isn't it a great puzzle though?

Correct, not throwing. This is the way I did it: intended solution ? I haven't done @Narkodes original; I found this version pretty difficult, I'd say 5/10 or even 6/10 as the shot at 3:50 in my video took me ages to think of, for some reason.

@Narkodes I really doubt that, few people can throw. Also climbing the 1 unit wall with just two cubes, can you capture that? Do I really need a pit of acid there? It'd drive me crazy to redo the whole thing if cubes fall there.

@bullfrog: with throwing the cube through the fizzler?