Mod works great!
Would it be possible to make one for Wood Elves in the future? They always dominate in my campaigns.

Never had a problem with chaos invasion. Are you sure you don't run any other mods that use scripts?

campaign set to hard for fun chaos invasion set to hard too

The chaos invasion never starts when I use these mods. turn 215 short campaign win done with Thorrek Ironbrow and still no chaos

Right on. Thank you for the reply.

No, it won't work that way, since I just copypasted effect bundles names debuff values will just get overwritten

Any idea if this can be combined with your individual mods to nerf them even more?

Averland is going on the rampage now LOL I have that mod that adds LL to the Empire for each faction, the ones close to Norsca usually gets wiped out but Marius Letidorf goes bananas

Thank you so much for checking it out for me.
Here we go again. :P

Alright, I tested it with SFO and the debuff is applied correctly

I forgot to mention that what I reported in the comment below was WITHOUT your mod.
My question was to find out if your mod works with SFO: Last Kiss currently before installing.
Would it be possible for you to check if nerf actually works? I have no idea how to do this, and I'm very frustrated with the overtide in the SFO, so I wanted to make sure the nerf is taking effect before starting another frustrating campaign.

I don't remember to be honest. I tested it long time ago with SFO and it was working I think. The nerf is comparable to the one Belegar gets, so maybe you're just unlucky

This work whit SFO ?
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I'm playing with the dark elves around turn 115, wiped out the invasion of chaos in Naggarond, and now I thought, I'm going to invade the high elves....
Then I find that all the "evil" races are dead, the dwarves and empire occupying the entire world, and Kislev with a single province allied with the empire decides to declare war against me, putting the entire WORLD at war against me. On turn 115. This is ridiculous.

Good man, making mods like these. Thank you. I can't stand the Ordertide, totally ruins the game and atmosphere of the world.

"In the Grimdark world of Total Warhammer II, where the good guys always dominate.... and the forces of disorder are slapped around like pinatas." - CA

Thanks for the Creator of this useful Mod! Ordertide ruined my game so strong i deinstalled TW Warhammer 2 since no use in playing bad or chaotic factions. In Every campaign Dwarf-Empire-Bretonia-HE steamrolled and united the wholw word sooner or later. After installing this and the startpoint changer the game is like a totally new one but still challenging!

then u never played on legendary as i do :)

empire strong.. hmm they got raped after 40 rounds...

bretonia... killed by norsca..

dwarf... yeah they are op... 56 rounds and they have 3+ confederations and a huge amount of settlements xDDD

but good for me that i have my way to kill the vampires as fast as possible xDD

They are not part of the ordertide. Not to mention I never really seen vampires getting strong

why u forgott the overpored vampires...silvana is way to strong.. specially on legendary xDDD

That is...rather frustrating...I'd REALLY like to use this mod as the Dwarfs tend to overrun the surrounding mountains (I'm a kind of softy who doesn't declare war unless he has to 75% of the time, even playing 'evil' factions), but if this mod's gonna nerf me when I play as a good fraction of the Order factions I play as...I really can't see me using the mod...

...So the mod's a good idea, and I WANT to use it...but as it is right now, I really CAN'T, without giving the faction I'm playing as nerfs that I really don't wanna deal with on my end...

Yes

I remember that Minor Factions were ALWAYS nerfed, even if you use an Unlocker to play them...Is this ALSO the case if you play as them after getting an Overhaul Mod for them (for example: Elon's Greybeard's Prospectors - Faction Overhaul modifying the Greybeard's Prospectors; are you still out of luck if you choose to play Greybeard's Prospectors)?

Does this work on SFO?

@Gnostiko savegame compatible

@Tim the Enchanter all the separate mods should be working

@theimprobableone okay cool, i have another question, are you still supporting the other ordertide mods you made? because i want to nerve empire and brettonia only but i want to fight the dwarves on full power (playing as HE).

i am asking because the other mods have a different date where the have been updated... :)

Is this savegame compatible? If I enable it halfway through a game will it come into effect?

around 50%

Hey i have a question, how much did you raise the upkeep for these factions? because i once tried a Dwarven upkeep 3x campaing and these little fuckers didn´t really care, the only way to really nerf them was to use a mod that prevented them from building confederations.

Why does everyone seem to forget the the Lizardmen are apart of the Ordertide?

Hope you will release Drycha nerf some day. I've tested about 10-15 campaigns since T&T and always Vamps were demolished somewhere between 30-50 turn. Thanks for your awesome mod

Yeah, I too noticed that Drycha is beating the shit out of vamps. I think they also nerfed vampires aggression a bit.

I'll try to figure something out, when I have more time

Ever since the T&T update it doesnt work for the empire. But its weird. It does work to an extend, it still makes all elector counts weak in the early game including reikland, but for some reason the vamps are not able to conquer the empire. They get a foot hold for a minute but reikland eventually beats them back. By turn 60-90 Karl is in the top 3 strength rank.

I think the main problem is Drycha, she heavily counters vamps in the early game. I suggest you heavily nerf all elector counts close to the vamps plus reikland and drycha. This should fix things.

Otherwise the mod works just fine ; dwarfs and HE still get trashed into oblivion by turn 50. Really makes for a great apocalyptic campaign while playing Belegar on higher difficulties.

After the green skin update the dwarves got MUCH more manageable

Update: ulthuan got entirely wiped out by cult of pleasure + grom then cult took out grom, the border princes im pretty sure protected thorgrim, Grimgor went after the skaven instead of the dwarves and got taken out. Vampires have taken over the entire Ne/SE of the empire which has proved quite fun. Couronne i've been keeping alive through intervention otherwise they would be wiped out. Markus is still alive in lustria somehow. Overall definitley more fun

@Esnidy for empire factions its 60% more and 60% more recruitment cost

@Esnidy the effect bundle iirc.

this mod def makes for a more entertaining playthrough for empire but seems like the nerf bat is a little strong. to where I'm going to have nobody to trade with lol. What are the exact modifiers?

It doesn't change game files. But if you activated it at any point of the campaign you're stuck with it

Does the mod permanently change the game files? I played as Har Ganeth with it off and Morathi ate Ulthuan, the Dwarfs got wiped out and the Empire didn't become a super blob.

could I most politely ask for TEB & Kislev version? believe me or not, but I'm so tired of Estalia culling beastmen, Tilea deratizating Skavenblight, Border Princes defungusing badlands and Kislev chucking out chaos at start...

yo thanks for your work improbableone. Gonna start an isolationist wood elf campaign and I hate when I got nothing to do because everyone around me loves me so much and I just dont want to have lore unfriendly wars against good guys.
Hope this still works.

10/10, a must have mod.

Plz update, I fucking hate dwarfs.

So.... I am using this as I play Karl, on hard difficulty and this is awesome!!! Vamps are taking over the SE, Dwarfs are all but wiped out and now the waaaah is coming after me, to west the Red Duke is making himself a nice kingdom, the northern tribes have a foothold in Nordland and Britonia, I confederate with Gelt and he is holding back the raiding gits in the south. Meanwhile, undercities are popping up like wak-a-moles.

This....is....AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks. i will still use it and see if there are diferences, i have nobody to fight at the moment;)

Save game compatible, but since the nerfs aren't too severe, you may not notice the difference at this point in your campaign

is this save game compatible. i am in the middle of an empire campain and the dwarf/bretonia/elves are all unbeatble?

Thank you, it was so much needed

Only affects AI

Install all, play as empire, does that make my game harder to use my faction or does it only effect AI?

It should work fine with SFO, there shouldn't be any compatibility issues