FYI the update will drop as soon as I can see what of the duplicates make sense to keep (like I know the flamingo will go, but the otter will rebrand as river otter since the Odyssey one is a sea otter) and how to handle the swimming textures since they don't play well with the colour variants (or rather I don't know how to do that yet). I'm sorry for the delay but this is not going to be the easiest update.

Is there a way we can make the Snow Leopard have a really big tail? Idk who is working on it anymore, but ty for keeping it alive. :)

Noted, I'm trying to learn settings!
The silk spider is original ^^

A nice option in the future would be an easier way to allow / disable certain animals like the spirit wolf for example.

That aside is the silk spider a collab original or from another mod?

That is an excellent question... let me fix that for you.

Where and how might Silkspiders be found?

milk from a direwolf?
no, keep that, it's what Romulus and Remus would've wanted

If you wanted to put it in your mod, you would add a <roamMtbDays></roamMtbDays>. I edited it locally and seems to work. Thank you for mod.

Oh ok, thank you for the quick reply.

I haven't really done active modding in a long time, so I don't think I ever added the pen animal tag to anything when that was added to the game.

Maybe I'm missing it, but is there anyway for animals added by this mod to be assigned to pens?

@stun thank you so much for a comprehensive feedback! I've added a discussion for future reference

@lol @cucumpear
Anecdotally, the animals in this mod mostly fall into one of three categories:
1) Slightly worse than vanilla animals. Usually a bit worse meat production, somewhat narrower temperature range, meaningfully worse gestation periods/litter sizes and a bit less tame.
1b) Large useless animals. Some biomes are objectively easier just because the % of animals on them that are large and produce bearskin quality hides is higher so manual hunting becomes better. Warmer regions have a much higher average revenge chance in this mod though.
2) Catastrophically worse than vanilla animals for breeding, most commonly due to long growth periods. Many things in this mod have <1 meat/day from growth and there are things with bajillion day breeding periods like the dodo.

3a) Special shoutout to the corpse eating goats that are kind of like a hybrid between cows and pigs. Probably the only thing from this mod that I'd take over a vanilla animal besides the
3) Wolves
Spirit wolves being corpse eating thrumbos that can live on -50 degree sea ice is better than any animal in vanilla, maybe even better than mechanoids. You can't take the non-spirit wolves to the southpole on a max cold map but you can take them to the poles on a regular map and unlike spirits, they're easy to get a breeding pair of and mass. Probably the best combat animal in the game between this and vanilla, and they're also essentially carnivorous muffalos (fur producers). Not hard to see why muffalo/thrumbo equivalents that are zoneable and eat the infinite supply of frozen raider corpses are good.

I don't have anything like that, but I'd be perfectly fine with that kind of feedback.

@cucumber is there a spreadsheet or any other way of looking at details of the new animals? I'm interested in checking it in regards to the game balance properties if you're ok with that

They shouldn't, I'll check what's going on there. Thank you for the report.

These all seem to have filth rate 1.0. Is that intended?

How can I get the OG style spirit wolf for 1.4?

OMG, it's working! Thank you, dude, it's so kind of you) The silk isn't even forbidden now, sweet ^_^

Hopefully it will work now, it should also produce a bit more frequently.

Ok, I know what the problem is, but not how to fix it yet, so hold on for my brain meats to kick in. (TL;DR something changed and the spawning doesn't seem to work with player faction pawns any more. so the moment they're yours, no more silk.)

The lack of breeding is as it should be, none of the insectoids breed. But something definitely seems to be going on with the silk spawning. I'm looking into it!

Something weird is happening with my silkspiders =(
Honestely, i haven't played since 1.2 and i can't recall anything like that. First of all, thay do not reproduse, just don't want to do any sex (but if i make them pregnant through the developer toolkit, thay give birth ner spiders). And secondlly thay do not make any silk. I let them be for a year with no other modifications, and nothing. Funny, but if i change the spawn range to very small, they make silk only during the firs day of my colony =D After, it just stops forever.
How may i fix that?

Will look into it, I haven't touched ADS in a long time, so thank you for the heads up!

@cucumpear
FYI: Your A Dog Said patch is currently malformed and adds your animals as recipeUsers to every recipe in the game. You can reach out to me on steam or discord if you need details, but the cliff notes are, you need a full conditional for every OR in an xpath.

@cucumpear - Ah, thank you for the response!!

It's still being maintained but not expanded any more. And like vanilla insectoids, the ants etc will not breed. Looking back adding an infestation event could have been fun for easier access.

Question: Is this being worked on still, and if so, is there any way to get ants to breed?

@Coconutsales check out CherryPicker. It's more or less a soft requirement in large mod lists. Let's you browse all definitions of all types and disable using a settings menu. Really nice for issues like you're pointing out.

Super niche request, but is there any way to disable this mod's Quails for compatibility with Vanilla Animals Expanded - Royal Animals? ( https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2858079457 )

The quail in that mod has special benefits, but might conflict with the Quails from this mod.

Maybe even an automatic detection for compatibility that overwrites these quails with VAE's Quails?

Wow, that's so weird, I'll check if that Gear tab issue is caused on my end as soon as I have a smidgen of energy again. Thank you for being so observant!

@cucumpear I think I figured out what's going on.
I bought another 2 black bears, and took one of them as a pack animal in my caravan. I was looking through all my pack animals but couldn't find the sleeping bag I definitely brought, when I noticed the black bear again had his funny backpack on. But again, no "gear" tab. I downloaded Drop All Inventory - Forked mod and when I then clicked on the black bear (still no "Gear" tab) the button to drop the inventory was present and clicking it unloaded a bunch of items from the black bear, and his backpack disappeared.

https://gist.github.com/8012f64cbe26fcada9166e8da55a372e

This is one of my favourite mods, thank you so much for maintaining it.

Though I will say, walruses showing up in boreal forest is a bit odd.

Sure thing, it's not a big deal albeit a bit confusing perhaps. Thanks for taking a look, if I can help by providing anything extra, let me know. (Tho the poor bear died by now)

Very odd, I'll see if I can figure out what's going on, but if it's a conflict that can take a while.

Nothing is showing in their inventory https://i.imgur.com/zL5JqR2.png
Unless there is another way to check animal's inventory? There is no "gear" tab where I usually look. Bear has never been used as a pack animal either, so it should not have been loaded with anything ever (and no "Unload" shows up when right-clicking with a pawn).

Yeah, that's the black bear's pack, a bunch of our animals have custom packs. Check if they have something in their inventory.

Hey there, I wonder if that's what happened to my black bear. He is also now wearing a funny looking package, almost like a pack animal ( or maybe exactly that? ) and he definitely did not have this for the first days after I tamed him, so maybe it started when he started hauling and I didn't notice. https://i.imgur.com/HJHlNod.png

thanks bb

I thought we'd fixed that ages ago XD
I'll see what I can do, might take a while though, I'm not great at art.

Just thought I'd let you guys know. The "xenguana" gets a...mysterious floating backpack whenever he's hauling things. Looks like the muffalo's backpack maybe?

Figured out where it's from thanks anyways!

That was not us, sorry. I don't think I ever played with them so I can't help.

Hi there, I love using this mod since I like to do a lot of animal work. One issue I've run into now is getting the animals added by this mod to show up in the 'Animals' tab in the pen marker menu.

For example, I have a group of Angora rabbits that I would like to manage inside of the pens I have built for other farm animals. When I go to the pen marker and select animals, they are not in the list, so pawns won't auto manage them within that space. Would it be possible to add them to the list? Thanks!

;-; It is here.

TY for letting me know, I haven't played myself in ages

Nothing serious so there's no hurry, but getting an error in regards to the Carapace Helmet.
SetColor on Thing without CompColorable Apparel_ACPCarapaceHelmet

Not at the moment, I've been having some options on the back burner but I'm not really actively modding atm.

How does this work with VE stuff? do the duplicate stuff get disabled?