Needs investigation. Might be engine related.

The AI acts weird when there's more pop added. I made pop act similar to retold(16 per house, 20 per TC) and the AI stops attacking after 30~40min.

@JeHathor™ Will we see an AI mod for Retold soon ?

@House of Horus I hear you. Thank you for the information. I'll be waiting a version of your AI for Retold . Thank you for your work on the AI :)

Yes, but I wait for the next expansion before I start working on anything because of likely code changes.

Hello
Really like your AI mod . Thank you !
Do you want to port your AI mod to AOM Retold ? That would be amazing.

Is there any chance the AIs can be given the standard vanilla names? Maybe as an optional thing?

@russianxfactor
Disable your other mods until it works. Single out the one that didn't, then turn the rest on again.

I'm not sure if this mod is interacting with some of my others in unfortunate ways, but: even on the higher ELOs, civs rarely advance out of the Classical Age. Also I can only play with 3 civs, total. If I try more, the place where I am supposed to decide what type of AI to fight against instantly switches to "Closed".

@JeHathor Thanks!

Bonus resources based on what the ai gathers.
I use it to scale the competitive levels, yes.

Does this script use resource/handicap cheats in any of the settings (Elos) on difficulties other than Titan? Or do the elos only modify the CPU behavior?

Before I forget later: thanks for the effort in creating this script! :D

@Sindir You simply select Shenong for my ai. Just as you would for yourself when playing as aztec.

@JeHathor
I wonder how the support for RotG looks like. Civ choice for RotG works via AI selection, so how do I get a RotG civ with one of your AIs?

Ah, good to know. Maybe they don't make their unique units in the base game either...

@Stygian Emperor
It's more the other way around: What you don't intentionally add to the code is likely not even considered by the AI.

Not specific to this mod, but is there some line of AI code where Greeks won't make heroes that aren't the main 4 they normally have? My mod adds some generic multi-trainable hero units that the AI avoids like the plague for some reason.

RotG civ support added!

Lets say there is a gold mine with 6000 resource. Does Antisthenes AI collects more than 6000 when it collected all. If so, it would be nice to have a Antisthenes Ai version that doesnt do that and use only whatever available on the map.

does the hardest bot has a "favourite" or main god?

Is it possible to also use this mod on the campaign AI?

Id like to play the campaign but with a way more difficult AI.

@Gentleman Crow
These are the comments that keep the modding community alive. <3
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When I look back, it makes me happy to see how the project evolved. And I'm delighted when players get to improve along with it. If AoM finds a bright future with Retold, the game certainly deserves a good AI. I would be glad to make a little contribution.

Hey JeHathor, I just want to thank you for working hard on this mod! I really appreciate you and your hard work! I can't wait for the future of this mod!

@Lasagna Press the green subscription button.

where is the download?

I've been spectating a few LAN games of this AI at 2000 elo vs. default AI and it crushes hard AI but generally loses to Titan AI, does it not get the 100% bonus when you set difficulty to titan?

Correct @Loggy

A few minutes of perusing the code suggests it is using a scripted handicap implementation which means it'll work in multiplayer too. But this means that it does actually have to gather rather than spawning in resources from nothing.

Only apocalypse bot seems to make resources from nothing, but it will do so at an absolutely ridiculous rate.

@Aware
- Handicap means that all units work faster. Anyone with handicap builds buildings faster, trains units faster, collects resources faster.
- Only level 9999 of Antisthenes streams free resources starting in Age2.
- Starting at the competitive levels, my ai only scales it's resource income based on how much it gathers. This is a very subtle effect, especially for the lower competitive elo levels. Eventually the effect snowballs naturally the longer the game continues. Besides that it doesn't get any additional bonuses. Compared to a normal titan ai or player with handicap it does cheat less.

I feel like the reason this ai is powerfull because it is cheating. It is not even using handicap. It is literally gaining resources whenever it feels applicable. Is that true?

Don't play against Atlantean right now. @NeosNight

The mod don't work. I cannot play anymore the AI 9.

Played most of a game with the AI not 25 minutes ago, and I noticed a new issue:

When I destroy the wall bits it puts around its starter sentry towers, it keeps mindlessly re-building them around the starter tower positions... even when I already destroyed the towers, and there's nothing there but rubble...

Cropped screenshot of this, for reference: https://imgur.com/XPHFS3q

Tested on Elo 1700.

@Vojumir @Ducky123
Thank you both very much! I believe the tc issue has finally been resolved.
But let me know in case it happens again. Feedback like this really helps me a lot.

can confirm, even 9999 Elo does it. They seem to prefer sending their villies to certain death in order to build a forward base they no longer have control of and cancel construction of nearly everything else.

I've noticed 2 bugs:

1) The AI keeps cancelling building its Town Centers... I have only tested with Antisthenes Elo 1800 & 2000 so far, but I assume this happens to all of them.

2) It starts building 4 wall pieces around its towers, but never finishes them. Or it places the unbuilt wall, sends a villager over to start building it, then immediately stops and sends that villager to do something else.

Thought I should mention them, in case you were not already aware.

Hello, JeHathor!

A question for you:

Which of these AIs cheat with handicap, and by how much? It seems like they only cheat in some areas.

This is probably my favorite AI to skirmish against, (at least in my overhaul mod) it always starts off slow to let me begin at a relaxed pace, and just snowballs up to the point where it really presents a challenge.

@thespaghettoucher
If you want to play against the Apocalypse AI specifically, you can select titan difficulty as long as you don't mix it with the other AI variants.
When set to titan difficulty, an additional effect is that all AI will build soldiers and buildings twice as fast. This, for being attached to the hardcoded handicap, cannot be replicated on other difficulty levels without adding desynch sensitive files, and by design is not intended by me, because it prevents the Elo of the other AIs from scaling correctly, if you use them. The Apocalypse AI will outspam you either way due to the amount of extra resources it has available. In any case, it fulfills its function as a boss-like opponent in team games against human players. However titan difficulty might still add some extra spice to it. I can't judge that for sure.

Okay some people are saying to set the settings to Titan for maximum difficulty and the creator is saying to not set it to titan. Which one do I do in multiplayer for the true apocalypse bot experience?

RotG + Antisthenes =

tc bug should be fixed now.

Known issue: The AI currently tends to cancel towncenters for no reason shortly before completion. I will look into finding the cause of this.

Playing 5v2 and 7v3 vs Apocalypse Bots is a blast. Note to everyone that Apocalypse Bot requires the difficulty to be set on Titan to function at maximum difficulty. Thanks JeHathor for making these bots.

The Apocalypse Bot doesnt seem to get any Bonuses, is that intentional? It loses vs Titan and Expert Bots, which sort of defeats the point of it as an 'ultimate antagonist'.

I am still finding it fairly similar to how it was before.

Have it take bad fights until home gold runs out, then keep it off all the gold on the map and it can no longer do anything except spam myth units.

The recent update might have pushed it quite a bit.

I have a fairly good winrate against 75% handicap and I'm objectively not good at the game.

I would think it entirely plausible that 100% is beatable. 1v1 basegame titan AI has definitely been done.

@toto2379 I really don't get your point... There is no way you can beat a 100% bot alone.
And if you let it play against other AI just choose "Antisthenes [GS]" - it will adjust itself.
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Oh and you can play the game in multiplayer on titan and ANY Bot you choose will get the +100%

>asks why the Titan Bot handicap is reduced from +100% (default ) to +50%

>answers by adding an Expert Bot with 80% handicap

Whatever, I'll edit it to 100% handicap myself