would, next question

yummy

Balls🤨

anyways i think i found a (probably found) glitch that duplicates bat bat's baseballs due to forsburn's clones if both forsburn and his clone gets hit by the baseball down strong

dunno if its something else that makes it happen lol please lmk

After playing as her, jesus christ she has way too much kill power imo
Maybe it's just me, but...

Still, her mechanics are really fun and interesting; she's a blast to play as

im looking at an older version of bat bat compared to this current version and my god i don't really see the changes in removing the baseball charge from neutral special and straight up just making it so you shoot one baseball when you have all 5 of them

I still love playing bat bat but some of the special move changes kinda made me confused to why were they even changed in the first place

one thing I do wanna add is that it seems to break every time I try to go into Abyss Mode with them, I hope that gets fixed soon...

One of my favorite character mods. Everything from the mechanics down to even small details thrown into every part of this character is so cool!

bat bat mains rise up

I dunno what everyone is complaining about. She's by far the most fun character I've come across to me

why these people disliking this character because of nerfs, im having a blast playing this character

would love to see a rouge the bat skin. willing to throw in a couple bucks.

Funny bat girl need more funny bonk sound effect

does someone know how i can change the colors of the personalized skin?

@otakughost when's the last time you played her? I could have missed the change, but I don't recall one to nair.

Just tried her out today, nair got nerfed, her only still pretty good move unfortunately

I stopped liking this character when the run attack, dair and up tilt got nerfed so at this point I just pick her to see if I can play "Wheres waldo" and find the nerf

mmm i see.

Nah, I don't like the cool down since getting 2 balls on screen is supposed to be a reward, it's takes more skill to actually juggle both in a planned way to get extra confirms before they fly into the blast zone. Balls already take so much set up to make them do more damage in the first place and are easily countered by parrying or losing ownership, might as well let you keep the option of using 2 at once if you are good enough to utilize it.

I agree 100%. im fine with the ball cooldown, but removing double ball and the nerfs to base kit are just weird.

@M30W You mirror my thoughts on the matter; this is just speculation on my part, but more than a few of the well known workshop devs frequent Zetta's, the ROA youtuber's workshop tournament streams and might be listening too much to Zetta's critiques on what is and isn't balanced for the allowed characters (I don't think zetta has that expertise). Sai isn't know for balanced characters so he might be leaning into it even more.

I'll reiterate again, the animation update Batbat was the peak balanced version.

why is bat bat just being nerfed over and over again? she was more than fine after the update that introduced the new select picture...

Looks like the sweetspot was taken off of d-tilt so there is no spike hitbox that launches the opponent up while grounded or spikes them down when you hit them at ledge. The launch angle for d-strong also has been changed, it sends outward diagonally instead of straight up like it used to (not sure of the reasoning behind this, but it's more of a lateral change than a nerf). More nerfs and changes that don't seem necessary or in my opinion, the parts of her kit that needed another look at for "balance" reasons. I can't tell for sure, but I think the endlag for Batbat's jab was increased too (I can't compare the 2 versions to make sure and it wasn't mentioned in the patch notes, per the usual).

I deep sad by what I have cum across today. My Chromebook charger no work to when I check the metal part of cord. I bend real hard. It work. Also I check Fire Emblem online. (Because I love the games) It cum to my mind the new Fire Emblem game been announced. MC switch hair looking ass. I can't believe eyes. Fire Emblem Heroes 2.0? don't quite understand. Like how I believe I am switcher. I don't believe switcher are real or should be loved. I am master race. PC gaming. Back in day old. Imyselfandmanyotherswerefoundsticky/guiltyofwatchingBatBat.Irememberthetripleblueblackandwhiteballs.Theywerelikeanangelhaslandeduponmyfeetandgavemehope.I'vealwaysbeenindeeplovewithbaseballeversince. So I am super duper sad to announce I am depressed of Bat Bat change. I want 2 ball Bat Bat. I remember 3 ball Bat Bat. I love triple blue ball running a cross stage. No counterplay. I want refund. I am inevitable. #bringback2ndball #Gamersunite

@sixpathshashira If you've played earlier iterations of her you'd understand, personally I think BatBat was at her Peak balance in Version 0.65 (or whichever update that had the fixed sage mode and character select animation, but before the change where he reduced the stun on the balls after using up-special on them), you'll see me mention that not even 3 pages ago.

Heehee, SAGE MODE

Why does everyone keep saying she's weak now? she's a perfectly fine and enjoyable character in my opinion

What happened to her nair??? It seems to have 0 hitbox for me, i hope this wasnt a change because so far every good thing about her has been severely gutted but glad people still find her to be the best

bring back 2nd ball

So a pretty straight forward nerf in this recent patch of "no second ball *ever* plus an added cooldown on top of that". Not a very interesting change nor anything that makes up for the downgraded mechanic, like say: Instead of strong hit balls letting you summon a second ball, it now charges up a level after landing, or literally anything.

Best workshop character period. Thanks sai.
Now I can watch morbsuis for free :)

I've noticed the stun on balls sent downward with up-special has been greatly decreased as well. This isn't as big a deal since it still spikes the opponent, but it does open you up to getting punished on hit easier, like my last critique since the opponent is more likely to recover before you finish your animation, and land unless you've hit them with it off stage.

So i've noticed you nerfed the knockback on batbat's up-special. Not sure why considering that's probably her least relevant kill option out of all of her kit. It's not a move most would look at and think "ah yes this is the move that pushes batbat just over the threshold of being balanced". Now it send the opponent nowhere so they can better punish you on hit and batbat loses a niche and risky kill option when close to the blast zone and off stage all together.

yep

This character is really good

Easily my favorite modded character. Syncing balls just right for big damage combos is just rad.

Most of Batbat's skins look nice, she could be hurting like Mayu is. The Regis, Nano, and Storm skins for Kanos look excellent (the Drip skin is cool too, but Batbat already has the Spar skin which is similar) so i'd suggest those color schemes for Batbat and any future character.

Nothing balance related this time. I think Batbat needs a better primarily red colored alt than the ronald Mcdonald alt. A Rouge the Bat color would be nice as well. I'm not sure if the Air better skin is reference but that and placeholder alt are probably the weakest.

yep

Still one of the most satisfying characters to play in Rivals

There's a rumble related bug with side-b. Once it hits the controller will not stop rumbling.

Very impressive character select animation, I also see you've addressed the crazy hitpause refresh on the ball. I'll report any issues if there are any. Thanks for all that effort.

i agree

Ik it's the old animation where she was able to store more balls at once for sage mode, but it's strange now since that's not the case anymore.

Again, as one of the more critical people who has played bat bat through the changes (nearly a year now), I think her current state is very well balanced. (that sage mode retention patch/fix and the balls getting the extra stun hit stun effect and projectile buff with d-special). Her moveset even without the balls feel good with their combo/kill potential. My reoccurring critiques is to buff the hit box range on side special since it's a nice conversion tool and to have strong launched balls to lvl up upon hitting the opponent so you can be more aggressive if you want and to give a reason to use the lower lvl balls.

I can always see Sai making an alternate busted version of bat bat where she get's to have all balls bouncing back from the blast zone like some of the old iteration though (it was certainly fun).

Man has a built in funny spike (literally puts them in stun lock) and tp projectiles that let you just.. I like ya cut G people who are off stage

I do feel bad for Sai since this is the only character he seems to actively change frequently but every update he gets more hate for it. I'll just say amazing sprite work, but if you're gonna doodoo on Bat, try reworking Saji. He's op as hell but doesn't seem to actually get updates and I wanna see what you'd do

OG bat bat could just be back when her sage mode was good lol. Wasn't it like 6 balls back in the day now its just 1 garbage ball

*two more times

everyone saying that she's op don't know how good she used to be lol. Nerfed her combo potential really hard so now she just hits hard with difficult follow-ups. I'm just mad about her dash and possibly up air? (Haven't checked if the up air hitbox changed just looks like it has a different animation) Also sage mode useless, squeaking at the baseballs launches them into space so you'd need to somehow catch it mid fight then squeak to more times on it for a single ball that does like... 10% instead of 8%