If you ever get the chance, an update of this mod to B42 would be great! It's my favorite canning mod because all it changes is the removal of vinegar, whereas other mods completely change canning food as a whole :/ Thanks for this mod, it's always been a must-have in my B41 runs!

Ну вообще чтобы засолить овощи нужен уксус, сахар соль и т.п. ну этот мод по сути делает из засоленных овощей просто банку с водой и овощами :p

Does this do anything to extend the shelf life beyond the vanilla "canning" recipes?

Muy de acuerdo con @jode78man. Soy cocinero y esto no tiene nada de sentido. Los alimentos necesitan un medio que no permita la reproducción o existencia de bacterias como agua con altas concentraciones de azúcar o sal, medios altamente ácidos como el vinagre, o líquidos que no permitan la oxigenación de las bacterias como el aceite, creer que meter tomates fríos. , calientes o una salsa muy caliente hará que se conserve no es solo ser ignorante, es ser idiota. Es sentido común y me soprende como algo tan básico varias personas aquí no lo entienden.

Im glad I wasnt the only one who thought vinegar or sugar for canning is an option not a requirement.

Can i somehow change some values, so canned food lasts shorter than pickled food? while it's great to have canning, pickled food (with vinegar+sugar) should last at least twice the time that your canned stuff would in real life. That part is missing for true realism

Based on Indie Stone's new post today, looks like a modpocolypse is coming soon. Hope to see this one among those who rise again.

we actually make tomato souce into glass bottle here in sicily and is made by simple cooking the tomato making juice separated from the seeds and skin and after that is poured into the glass bottle, once you achieve the desired quantity we use big couldron to sterilize the bottle and after all of that is all placed in a dark enviroment into ur house like cellar. There is a chance that they explode due to some mistake into the process lol.

@Joe78man have you not heard of pasteurisation

@Joe78man Lol, tell me you've never canned anything without telling me you've never canned anything.

Boiling a can to sterilize it is not doing nothing. but oil or vinegar is needed to cover the product. Just putting something into a can is not canning. Also canning uses cans, not flasks. This is basically "making a jar of.." with less ingredients and calling it something that is not.

How about a jar with hot water and oil? (the water is presumed empied) just the jar and the product it's just easing the process, not making it realistic

@Joe78man You make it shelf stable by *cooking* it.

This is a valid technique used daily by people all over the world. Please google "Hot Water Bath Canning" and see that you are wrong.

There is nothing realistic about not using anything to make it non-perishable by just getting it into a jar

Realistic canning should involve a pressure cooker or pressure canner. Without it, you're not actually doing canning, you're doing a hot water bath. With those, only high-acidity vegetables like tomatoes can be canned safely without vinegar.

If you've added a pressure canner, though, the addition of vinegar and/or salt should increase the longevity of the food instead.

could you update?

tomatos are fruits

Would be great if fruits were added.

Working in SP

Not working for me. I only get the make jar of not can jar of option. Playing MP latest 41 build.

am i able to jar meat? im trying to see if its possible but i dont see it anywhere in crafting.

@violetaz thats right.
The local mod is to make sure it doesnt get overwritten. If I overwrote this mod I think steam would change the file if this mod was ever updated.

@Slippy so you changed "module RealisticCanning" to "module Base" in the RealisticCanning_recipes file right?
And what is the local mod for? Making that change doesn't automatically change the recipes?

@kafkatrap
What we are doing here isnt actually messing around with Lua. Its just using notepad++ to edit some of the script files.
You can find the script files in:
Steam\steamapps\common\ProjectZomboid\media\scripts
And use the wiki to find out which item is in which file. I then took the file made in this mod and changed line:
FROM
module RealisticCanning
TO
module Base
I then created a local mod to apply in my save games

@slippy could you perhaps write down some more detailed instructions on how to actually do what you did? As not to clog up the recipe list.

For someone such as myself who doesn't know jack shit about Lua but still appreciate all the mods you guys put up.

It looks like this module doesn't need a pot which is big enough to contain the can.

@Gordon Forhman
Something you might be interested in: I wanted to see if it was possible to override the original jarring recipes so not to clog up the recipe list rather than duplicate them (especially as your mod means you would never do jarring using the old recipe).

I did find it was possible if you use 'module base' rather than 'module RealisticCanning' before the import, as well as use the vanilla recipes instead. I quickly tried it out and it didnt throw any errors up when I ran the 1 of the recipes, and this is with a lot of other mods enabled.

Im not going to upload this to the workshop but its an FYI if you wanted to use it in your mod!

@Gordan Frohman thanks for your input!

@Slippy

My mod is literally just an alternate recipe to create the vanilla item. Any mods you have that alter the behavior of the vanilla item should work just fine with no conflicts!

Hey @Gordon Fohman, do you know what the interaction would be with this mod:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2681257693

Would your recipe use the default 'freshness' rules of a month or would they use the rules in this mod and last 1 year? I think its based on the vanilla jarring code, so does your mod create new jarring code (in which case I assume it will use the default values of 1 month of freshness).
Thanks!

would you make an option so jar last longer ? or increase jar box spawn ?

great mod gordon

@JackOverkill

Yes, just like real life cans must be processed for them to be shelf stable.

do i still have to cook the canned jar ?

@Alaskan Bull Walrus

This version of the mod consumes the lids.

I have an alternate version of the mod that omits the need for lids entirely. This ensures the maximum compatibility with other mods.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2434393271

Are the lids re-usable?

@☾⎛sιтєʀ⎞☽

Works fine in the MP build

MP Build working?

About canning.
Me and my family do canning every year. We casually make jars of tomatoes and peppers as a way of making treats for us, because we find some canned foods tasty: canned peppers, salted pickles and peppers in honey are favorites of my auntie. And I find it baffling that canning recipies in this game have vinegar and suggar as a must have resources for canning.
There are many ways and types of canning processes, because there are so many ways of canning vegetables and fruits. And not every process require vinegar. We use most basic processes of canning: we add a lot of sugar into fruit beverages and jam, add a lot of salt to pickles and tomatoes, add vinegar and honey to our jars with peppers.

@futetăt

I've had no issues with it on the latest version of Zomboid, and yes it will work properly dropped in mid-save as well.

does it work on 41 and can I add this on my current save?

@orb

Standard stove-top pressure cookers were common in the 90s, and would work for pressure canning in a survival situation.

Vanilla canning recipes don't require a pot of water either, which would be required for water-bath canning IRL as well.

I didn't see the need to overcomplicate things. Zomboid plays fast and loose with utensil requirements for cooking.

I just realized- the recipe you mention uses a pressure canner, which is definitely not something you'd have in a survival context, whereas sugar and vinegar can be used to safely can foods with little to no preparation. Maybe this could make for an opportunity to make Electrical skill useful by crafting a pressure canner via a cooking pot and various parts?

Though I will agree that the canning process doesn't require sugar or vinegar, I think this breaks a balance within the game's mid/late stages.

Might not be within the scope of this mod, but it'd be super cool to see fruit canning, specifically for things like foraged berries and strawberries for morale boosts in the winter and ingredients for desserts.

ha. whatever, without boiling it was simple veg jar. but this- i think, pz problem. i made canned food at home too, but using much more ingr. so.. yeah, im ssory. i see my problem right now :/

@agapovdimitrij0

I am an experienced home canner. The vast majority of foods are completely safe to can in nothing but water. Some may require a pressure canner to can completely safely, but many can also be canned safely in a water bath.

Here is a scientifically tested and approved recipe to can carrots in nothing but water:

https://nchfp.uga.edu/how/can_04/carrots_sliced.html

jar. i mean glass jar

man. can u understood- this can s are just..eh.Full of boiled vegs. Food is gonna be rotten soon, cause have no vinegar . if u wanna make canned tomatoes without vinegar, u need some tools for it. not only one can and lead. qestions?

@agapovdimitrij0

How, exactly.

what the hell? this is urnt realistic .