@lecerint This mod incorporates Tenets to Doctrines. The two mods would be incompatible.

Does this implement tenets into doctrines on its own, or build on that as a second mod?

@YourDah I really wanted to, but due to the way adultery is handled in the game I don't believe I can. It would require a lot of new code and I don't want this mod to overwrite more than it needs to.

would u consider adding gender specific polyamory?

Like, I'm sure I tested it back when I originally wrote the code in 2021, but almost every time the game updates I have to replace the core_tenets file with Paradox's new version and add all my code back in. I don't go and test every single tenet in that case, so things can get missed.

So even if it didn't happen in this case I don't mind the occasional false positive.

No problem, things happen sometimes and I mess up a trigger. It's something I might not notice if someone didn't tell me.

sorry

Ok i am blind, i see it now

I will check that, it shouldn't be the case.

Then it's inconsistend since Adamatism is the only religion that can enact this tenet

Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I believe that's intentional. This mod doesn't remove the Natural Primitivism tenet, it just moves the nudity portion to a doctrine and in fact makes Natural Primitivism require full nudity as a doctrine.

It seems that Adamitism (the naked christians) still have "Natural Primitivism" tenet with "full naked" doctrine. It is the only religion that have access to this tenet from my checking

I see, I apologize, I misunderstood what you were saying.

I know that. From my testing this mod works with Catholic Trinity (probably biggest religion mod) if used with load order provided below

I really can't adjust for every different mod combination and load order. Religious mods tend to not play nicely with each other barring unless they don't touch the core_tenets file.

Could you please add that this mod is compatabile with Catholic Trinity and RUI as long as your load order looks like this:
1. Traditional Tenets
2. Catholic Trinity
3. RUI

I missed a minor detail when it comes to virtues that changed in the latest release, it should be fixed very soon.

I don't really think I'm looking to maintain another version of the mod at this time. A fourth tenet slot would also mean I'd need to adjust the UI more, adding more work too.

Would you be able to make a version with 4 tenet slots?
I've been using the Tenets to Doctrines mod for a long time, but I think I'll switch. My only gripe is that there are only 3 slots.
Just one more would make most religions so much more interesting, so I thought I'd ask ^^

I will see to updating when I am available. I haven't been at my PC since the patch dropped but I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to update by tonight or tomorrow at the latest, I don't think there's a huge amount of overlap.

the mod needs updating, love the mod though!

I don't plan to add any special small variations on the various religion-specific tenets. If you don't want to be a warmongering Norse then it seems to me you should probably just not pick those specific tenets. Many of them are based on the CK2 doctrines, including the Norse one.

I'll look into the court_type thing though.

Could you add a "lesser" Warmonger tenet? E.g. only Conquest/Invasion CB parameters plus the mod's Berserker parameter. Maybe reduced parameters or just the accolade multiplier.

And maybe a game rule to have it as the default for Norse religion? I don't enjoy the Warmonger parameter forcing all Norse to war. They weren't all like that.

Also, you should change the common/court_types/court_types.txt file too, it has a check on court_warlike and court_tribal for the Warmonger tenet similar to the Berserker court events

It should be up to date still.

Will this still work with the latest patch?

Unfortunately there's not really a lot I can do about that, any mod that affects tenets will be incompatible with any other mod that affects tenets. Maybe one day when Paradox does a religion rework they'll restructure the files to be more like cultural traditions, which are more flexibly moddable.

Would be cool if this was more compatible, sadly its not :c

thank you sir

can you make a patch for muslim enhancements?

So I imagine this mod, especially Monument Builders, will need to have a re-visit to account for the new funeral mechanics in the upcoming patch/DLC. I will probably upload a version that just makes the mod work and be compatible first, then look at what I want to do with Pyramids.

One thing I would note is that since RICE adds new faiths I can't guarantee that they'd get doctrines in new categories that are added--I tried to account for this to the best of my ability so that in most cases new faiths should start out with the right selection but it's nigh-impossible to cover every possibility.

@Trolloz I can't say for sure, but if RICE leaves the core_tenets file alone it might be fine. I have not tested it myself.

is it compatible with RICE?

Another Paradox bug has been drawn to my attention in tenet_alexandrian_catechism , the is_shown currently uses an implied AND (which is unsatisfiable because a relgion can't be Christian AND Islamic) it should be

is_shown = {
OR = {
religion_tag = christianity_religion
religion_tag = islam_religion
}
}

instead

More changes:
events/religion_events/faith_conversion_events has changes to faith_conversion.0002 to prevent heresiarchs losing the heresiarch trait pretty much immediately because they changed to a new religion.

1.11.1.2 changes
Core Tenet update reintroduces the Double Piety Cost bugs and the Rige + HumSac bug, only changes are removing always = no , from is_shown = , in Exaltation of Pain and Communal Possessions.

In council_positions, you added in the auto_fill = yes but forgot to delete the
auto_fill = {
faith = {
NOT = { has_doctrine_parameter = clerical_appointment_ruler }
}
}

which will then override it again, since it comes afterwards.

That seems like everything relevant.

More 1.11.1 changes
in council_positions/00_council_positions.txt , councillor_court_chaplain autofill has been reverted to = yes (this is important to get updated ASAP because it's a reversion to fix a bug that makes lay clergy get randomly fired )

The 1.11.1 Core Tenet Update reintroduces the Double Piety Cost bugs and the Rite + Human Sacrifice bug (using NOR instead of OR) but it also expands who Sun Worship is available too (new faiths who's parent faith have it and new faiths being spun of Saurism can both pick it now in addition to Zunism )

You got the wrong NOR in mz_core_tenets (you changed the cannibal one rather than the HumSac one )
easy mistake they are right next to each other
Other remaining fixes look good

@fhqwhgads
I sent a few issues to the chat again

I hadn't noticed it in the initial update, but it should be fixed as of this morning. Thanks for the heads-up.

@Zed Aruno
Actually that's a property of the Divine Marriage doctrine now (or it's renamed equivalent for Zoroastrians with it )

Zoroastrian pure blood is a virtue trait that needs to be fixed.
very thank you for taking the time to update.

It should be good now, but if I make further minor changes I'll include it in Change Notes. No actual changes have been made yet, this is just a compatibility update, but there may be new additions at a later time.

@kalanyr I don't have any definitive plans right now since I can't actually look in detail at what changed, but one trick I used in Medieval Matriarchs which I could do here is actually make it selectable as a main doctrine, but after the faith is created have an on-action fire to remove the doctrine and re-add it as a special doctrine. That could prevent the UI from getting more squished. If there's no problems with this approach and it's something I decide to do, that'd probably be how I did it. But I can't comment on whether or not I'll do it right now since I can't look at the files in detail for some time.

@fhqwhgads
I see they've moved Jizya to a Special Doctrine for Islamic Faiths but left it as a Tenet for Custom Faiths, I'm inclined to convert it into a Doctrine for everyone, just wanted to check if you were already planning that for this TTD/ TT ?

It's a "Teachings of the Prophet" style special doctrine, so it's probably better to move it somewhere else on the interface if it's a choice for everyone ( probably the same line as Pilgrimage ideally but that area of the GUI is getting kinda squashed )

Normally I like to update this mod as well as Tenets to Doctrines on the day of a patch, but I'll be pretty busy for this upcoming patch day so it may not happen. However, the next day I should be relatively free, so I should be able to push out an update then. Apologies if there's any inconvenience caused.

@fhqwhgads
I've dropped my notes on stuff on 1.10.0 changes I think you missed into Steam chat. Hopefully it's useful to you.