i wonder how many other unwanted changes author sneak up on you xD

Thanks to this mod i found which character was this mod from, no way it was from vanilla and i didn't remember adding any new NPC. Sadly this mod is now unecesary as i found a guilty pleasure of just recruiting kiana then sending her into the foglands to get captured and eaten alive.

Thank you! Personally I like to pick and choose my mods piecemeal for singular features to really craft a perfect experience for myself.

I understand why modders might add more to things. But... Shiroho's dialogue in his mods were unpleasant to me. I did not appreciate how he depicted women in his writing. It came off as incel-like.

I appreciate you patching that out. I hope Shiroho experiences some personal change for the better and he can put this all behind him someday.

Мало того что она портит настроение)) , так ещё и нулёвая полностью у неё нет статов всё по единичке.

Funny enough this mod helped me during my recent troubleshooting as to which mod changed, or rather: butchered, Izumi's recruitment dialogue. Shiroho's texture mods are actually very commendable, but his writing seems to be consistently atrocious. If you wanna see a real horror story just check out what he did to Izumi, which went from just a wholesome little kid asking for funds for her research to what I can only describe as someone ERP'ing a sobbing child who screams at the top of her lungs that you're trying to turn her into your sex slave, preceded by a very poorly written attempt at someone verbalizing their distress and you having no choice other than trying to lecture her into a weird moral stance considering the game's context and lore.

I wish I was making this up, it's in his Radiant Unique Recruits Dialogues mod. Here's a screenshot of an excerpt:
https://imgur.com/a/n5Zrt5H

thanks for making this mod!
There's nothing quite like watching a man melt away.

Fr though, I had just recently encountered Kiana the other day in my playthough. When I googled her assuming she was a unique recruit, I couldn't find a lick of information about her, so I assumed she was an elaborate rng based character... Judging by what people have been saying, her dialogue's been improved, but like only by a little bit.
Had her act as a turret guard before any of this, so I haven't had a yap out of her since. Thinking I might change her name with the plastic surgeons, since I personally don't really like using uniques.

I personally do play on experimental, but as I said some stuff conflicts with FCS 2 stuff, including OpenConstructionSet which i personally use.

Yeah... I figured it would only work on experimental and wrote as much in the description
Why wouldn't you play on the experimental branch though?

Few issues with this mod:
- Doesn't seem to work with Kenshi 1.0.51, only experimental branch
- Coming from the first one, it breaks when I try to use lmaydev's OpenConstructionSet to make a patch for custom skeleton races from Radiant Faces mod

I believe you made this mod using FCS 2 from Kenshi 1.0.55, thus it doesn't work with 1.0.51, which uses FCS 1, would be nice to have backwards compatability built-in.

This mod is going into my top 25 quality of life mods for kenshi

Welp yeah an imposed char on a face mod, that's another story...

Also the part about skellies, that one can cause actual crashes

The mod author also wrote on his description that he wish Steam gave him moderator powers to "moderate these kind of people" because "it's not acceptable" to cross his "lines of respect" because it's "shattering your chances of seeing more brilliant content ".
Don't get me wrong, the textures in Radiant Faces are good, IDK if the mod author made them as you can get textures like this for free on the internet, he keeps claiming he put 400+ hours into developing it, which I doubt as I am also a developer, but it's a bad mod in other ways: the changed skeletons have custom races which severely limits compatibility with animation mods which are, in my opinion, essential for a modded Kenshi playthrough as the vanilla animations for weapons are often reused and pretty basic.

Kiana is mentioned in the mod description, however you cannot know the quality of her implementation until you play the game and meet her.
Also, it's only mentioned at the end of the description so I missed that entirely, I do not have compromised attention span or intellect so I can imagine other people may also have missed it. It is also written that she is imposed upon the player and the mod author demanded to another commenter that any patches removing her are not made public. I hate this attitude because the whole point of modding is that the mod user has authority over how he or she modifies the game.

Just subbed to both, as faces look really good but I'm not fond of mods introducing unrelated stuff (it's mentionned in description though, so, not a surprise ? )
modding is a cathedral ^^ , can't be done alone

Thanks, i was just sick of people jumping at you over making a mod that does not break ToS or any intellectual properties rights

@SCARaw Hey man while you're here I'd like to say I love your mods, especially the shek perfect body, I'm using them in my playthrough.

for me this mod is FAIR DEAL
nobody gives a f2ck about your self inserts in FACE MOD

Modding is art of creating your own changes in the game
Original resources are not stolen, nor used by this mod
Even better mod link to original and offer fair alternative for people who ware unhappy with companion

if OG author is mad about "grandpa farts" screenshot this is his own writing abilities on display
on top of that OG mentioned he will not do UPDATES

nobody rl wanna even have custom characters or author self-adds in a mod that claim to do different things
people even make fun of that (especially if character is super strong)

people download FACE mod for FACES,
Fact that mod is on TOP WORKSHOP page just clearly shows it was great idea and a lot of people just needed it!

my mods are always PURE of such things

@Shiroho You're not wrong, adding an NPC into an unrelated mod isn't a crime. I have my own stance on the matter, but I'll always be on the side that at the end of it all, people do what they want. If that means they make and share a patch to tailor other mods, or the embrace it the additions, that's all that matters.

People do appreciate your work and we appreciate you, but that sours if you let people press your buttons so easily. Don't let other hot headed get under your skin so easily, and talk it out.

@Shiroho I've subbed to many of your Kenshi mods, and I am well aware you've been giving the idea of quitting the workshop on here for awhile.

I get how this could kill your drive to share, and that's fine, but saying this was the final straw is pretty weak. You're free to quit, but you had many chances to make sure this didn't rage on, and you didn't de-escalate the issue.

Conduct is very important in situations like these, especially once it's escalated to this point. While I do agree the description (true or not) is quite sharp and uncalled for, it doesn't help the matter by firing back aggressively. This could have been de-esculated by approaching rationally instead of coming in swinging. You can have your opinions on the patch's creator and this situation, but showing up to throw down an insult in the very first sentence doesn't help your case. It only reinforces the accusations that you might do something irrational, like deleting a possible constructive comment.

Based. Subscribing to the other mod just so I can patch her out with this one.

Aw shit Shiroho did just quit modding. Well I don't blame him, its a thankless and payless task, and I wish him the best.

check shiroho's kenshi mod pages
my dude actually just quit modding

This is pretty shitty, next time just remove it and that's it. No insulting and personal attack! -_-

I mean, I wouldn't have been quite as harsh, but the radiant faces guy is definitely overreacting over a simple patch mod.

If you want to give Shiroho the benefit of the doubt just take everything that I said with a grain of salt and know you are not obligated to stick around.

@Atlas Did I feel spited? Yes, and you're right, it's probably why I wrote a the description like that. Did I set out to insult Shiroho? No, I never called him bad names, HE has called me a lot of colorful names, just scroll down. And I didn't craft a story, the description is factually correct and represent how I felt and my rationale to publishing this patch.

Do I want to make amends? Well no not really, even though I don't enjoy having to be against a mod author and his mods. But I want this patch to be public because I don't want to see Kiana in Admag and 40 something people agree with this, and they probably don't know how to use FCS.

Hey dude, you did nothing wrong. I've seen much more harsh criticism from this "group" of people than the one on this mod.

I'm going to be blunt. Your entire description is an insult. It spins a story and highlights your points without giving any benefit of the doubt to the creator.

Rather than spinning your description as "i didn't like it, here's a patch" you specificlly crafted a story as an insult to shiroho because YOU felt spited.

if you really wanted to make amends you'd remove and rewrite the description.
"i dont like this recruit, it's unfinished, etc so i removed it".

@Shiroho In my original comment I DID say that your mod has a nice collection of textures. I wouldn't be subscribed to it if that wasn't the case. Now I never insulted YOU personally, I never called you names, I have only said that Kiana was immersion breaking and overall a bad character (and I still stand by that). That's normal dude, I have made bad sprites in the past, people have pointed it out, and I eventually changed them. If anything you should be grateful that I made this patch because people like me who wouldn't like to see Kiana can now use it without her.

I doubt you are quitting modding because of this patch. Less than 50 people have subscribed to it so why are you upset? My theory is that you weren't going to mod much more anyway and you just want people to get angry at me by pretending I CAUSED you to stop modding. Shut the hell up

@Spinalfluids Read me well, It's not just one time you have no idea. When you have 100+ mods, it's a constant harassement. Even if you are tough, 5-10 messages like this guy's per week ends up getting you. I'm a professional 36y old artist, working on several projects (one of EA games) got no money issues, nor with criticizm I am very used to that one already. But insulting and mockery ? Not gonna do. A lot of game have lost their best mod creators just this way you should be aware of that and not minimizing that issue. Beside, what is astounding is that guy doesn't even realize or mention the good content of the mod, beside the question of Kiana, for him it's like i was working for the game compagny with a salary or something, like that 500mo texture mod was totally his due. So from now on, im sorry it ll be just for my personnal use and steam friends. Can't take back what I already made, so you guys get to keep that.

@Shiroho I have enjoyed your mods yes, but your gonna get criticism and insults you know. I mean its the internet. If I quit doing things I do because I got insulted, I would literally be doing nothing. I'm not taking a side cause it aint my argument but quitting because somebody insulted you or lied seems a bit weird.

Also be proud of yourself : Even if i was not even close from being finished, I just decided to quit modding this game because your animosity definitely killed my will to keep going. 7 month of commitment but I could have done twice more of that. I guess I'm too weak to bear with this kind of free wickedness anymore.

Kiana was originally planed to replace headshot for those who disliked it, it's linked to this mod because i covered all other unique recruits and there is only one other crossbow specialist (Green). I thought it was most welcomed and assumed it won't bother people. Guess i was wrong. I just updated her dialogues few days ago and yesterday, which i genuinely think are better now (thing i would happily have done with kind critics and not insults). I regret i deleted your comment, it would have been so obvious... You are now twisting reality to justify yourself (me making a living hell of people whaaat ? yeah ofc im literally threatening my subscribers ! I'm also a very selfish guy that's why i share mods of 400+hrs working for free). Never said i had any authority on anyone, you can do what you want i don't mind your patch (though asking original creator is always better). You're obviously swimming in skizophrenia making up facts to serve your vendetta, so i'm out of there.

@myrtle.sorensen Well you can play with Kiana if you want, just don't subscribe to this patch. First I was disappointed meeting the character in game, but then I got upset that my feedback on Kiana was just straight up tossed into the trash so I published this patch. The mod author now came here and insulted me multiple times. He's as guilty for this drama as I am and I'm sure some people will find enjoyment reading these things. Drama sells

One part of me is like: oof shiet, she's so scrappy that I would never go to the town she lives anyway
But other part of me is like: come on, this dude made a big piece of good job, let him play with his Mary Sue. Kenshi is made for power fantasy, so are Mary Sues.

Patch itself is a cool idea, but why tears, why drama

Chad

got damn

3) I am, in fact, a content creator for an open source game. I am not a Kenshi modder though.

4) So finally you're telling us that Kiana's dialogue was a draft, honestly that's good man, I don't think you should have released it as a draft but now you know you should make it better. I don't like having to be against you or your mods, but as long as you keep forcing your selfish desires onto the players I'll have to keep you in check. And I won't take down the patch even if it was a good character because your mod is named "Better Faces" and not "Better Faces and Kiana ".

5) You have no authority over the community. If you don't like me, my patch, or want to play with Kiana, you have the option to not subscribe to this patch. If you want to stop sharing that is your problem. Not mine.

@Shirohô I never insulted YOU personally. YOU are insulting me right now. I simply pointed out that 1) there are many typos in Kiana's dialogue, while you wrote the mod description and your comment in much better English, so we know you didn't really do your best. Don't lie to yourself. And I'm also a non native English speaker by the way, I'm holding you to a high standard because the character was uncalled for, so if you don't make it the best you can, that is just lusting for power: you FORCE people to use your character just because you're giving people something that they actually want. That is selfish and one-sided. People subscribing to your mod should be rewarding enough for you not to force people to meet your Mary Sue.

2) You replied to another comment saying that you're going to make people's lives hell if they publish patches removing Kiana. Again, that is just lusting for power. It's clear who has social issues here.

based

MA! GET IN HERE! MAAAAAA! GET THE CAMERA! IT'S A LIVE ONE!

I mean, if he wants to make a patch available that removes a single character from a mod or something, then that's his right as another creator. His beef with that one unique character, and your beef with how he supposedly treated you, is something for you both to sort out amongst yourselves.

I love your content, by the way, Shiroho.

Your comment was deleted because it was insulting and heartless, a literal turd that i'm sure you were proud of. Also get some help, you're truely an odious person. You're not a "content" creator, just a noisy kid. There're better way than insult and make a patch in people's back, for instance get over your social issues and post a decent comment may be ? You're also totally overreacting (Already all kind of jokes in the game, is granpa's fart really shocking your imersion ? Damn ... Also kenshi entirely friendly / sympathetic characters do exist on vanilla. There're also more cheesy lines than mines, poorer dialogue sets aswell, grammar mistakes / bad punctuation). Also, Kiana's dialogue was still in a draft state but you wouldn't know since you bark without even saying hi. At least you reminded me I had this to take care of. Finally, mod creators (real ones) are not your bitches, your kind of people is just harming the community and make some, like me rn, want to stop sharing.

Hmm, if/when I come back to Kenshi modding, I might take a look at overhauling Kiana's dialogue. A lot of Kenshi modders speak english as a 2nd language and it can really show.

Also, I suspect a few just don't understand how to use the FCS in regards to making dialogue that looks/feels natural or at least on par with base game.

Damn, always hate hearing these sorts of things about modders i follow. You'd want to think the best of people that bring us content.
Sorry that happened to you friend. Honestly was wondering where this character came from.
I only figured it out because of the face, and I'm only using a few mods this run.

I personally don't mind the new recruit, but it definitely should be an option and not some sort of add-on, not even mentioned on the mod page. I add unique NPC's all the time to my games, like Beansprout, (and on occasions I'm feeling a little nuts and immersion-breaky, some of mop's stuff), because I signed up for it directly.

You said it best, modder overreaching. It might seem harmless enough, but they're taking liberty in the belief that absolutely everyone will want the character in their game. There's also no harm in making the character a separate mod, which a lot modders do

EDIT: I see the NPC is mentioned on the mod page. Something i must have overlooked. I did a foul.

@A s c i i BiganEX changes a few things: human female mesh, female body textures and it adds more sliders, such as a "default morph" slider that is very handy to get an "in-between" style for female faces... However to make things simpler you can get the human_female.mesh file that comes with it and replace any other .mesh file used for females in other mods (just make sure you rename human_female.mesh to the .mesh file you want to replace, sometimes it's not called that)

In other words if you want Bigan faces with any other female texture mod of your choosing, including other nude mods, just get that file and replace the .mesh file used for human females in the conflicting mods. I can investigate further and see how the sliders could also be carried over, or see if it's possible to make a patch that makes the body textures unused (reuploading the mod with removed files is obviously out of the question and not what I did in this patch)

@A s c i i I will take a look at those mods...

@Meitou Because seeing her and talking to her breaks my immersion and I only have immersive mods in Kenshi

While I don't use Radiant Faces I appreciate that somebody is doing something about mod authors sneaking unrelated changes into their mods.

I do know of other mods that add more than they say, or are supposed to.

This mod is only supposed to make faces less ugly, and secretly makes shek topless:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1686718103

This mod is a dialogue mod that also changes the days in the year, squad size, modifies cities, adds weather, and probably more:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1499269781

By no means do I expect anything, I can't imagine the amount of work it'd take to gut out the nonsense from these, especially that last one.

why not just put her in a peeler and forget about her

By the way guys if there's any other mods that add unwanted/out of scope features, such as Interactive World adding muskets (although I do like samurai muskets, they are historical), let me know if you want me to do more patches like this. I have a previous patch for DR's Belt Items adding proper descriptions and rebalancing them