RimWorld

RimWorld

Dream and Desire
29 Comments
CocoBat 18 Sep, 2022 @ 9:11am 
I really like this idea, but I think the values are all too extreme, I understand that unfulfilled dreams hurt, but all my pawns are consistently upset due to them.
Creampie Senpai 21 Jan, 2022 @ 2:28pm 
@noenear yeah I get that but one of my pawns literally had a x12 failed dream debuff and that was just one debuff there were multple others which caused moral to be constantly stuck at about 50% or lower since I could never fulfill them
noenear  [author] 21 Jan, 2022 @ 8:18am 
@Creampie Senpai
This is what happen when your dreams are crushed by the harsh reality of the rim, not every pawn is tough enough to endure it !

Well, it spice up the game, it add some challenge !
Creampie Senpai 21 Jan, 2022 @ 12:48am 
Cool idea but jesus this singlehandedly was the leading cause for pawn suicide.
noenear  [author] 14 Jan, 2022 @ 3:48pm 
@123nick
It wasn't intended, I fixed it, thank for the report!
note : for a pawn that already have the mood bonus, it will stay until the wish is fulfilled or failed but it shouldn't proc more mood buff.

Normally, wish at low expectation are easy to fullfill,
you can get more difficult wish at start if you have some mod that increase your starting wealth that make you reach the next expectation threshold for your pawn.
123nick 13 Jan, 2022 @ 10:46pm 
is this intentional? thats a lot of mood from just putting a couple statues in their room:

https://i.imgur.com/MrH7aQi.png
123nick 9 Jan, 2022 @ 3:09pm 
Would it be possible too have a minimum expectation level that desires/dreams start appearing? i like the idea but early game its some harsh mood penalties.
Dragons 2 Jan, 2022 @ 7:23pm 
funny idea for a wish above expectation: if there's someone a colonist hates on the map, they can form a wish to literally just have em killed lmao
kinchee 2 Jan, 2022 @ 4:54pm 
great mod, someone needs to come in clutch with the translation though
noenear  [author] 2 Jan, 2022 @ 7:38am 
@ALE199-ITA
@funishortperson
I did a test and it work, for most of these object of X quality you need to place them in a specific room.
If it's not the problem, I will need the exact wish that didn't work for you.


@PeasantUnit
@funishortperson
If I remember well I made a mod setting to reduce the odd to get wish.
ALE199 2 Jan, 2022 @ 5:34am 
yeah the "Wants object of X quality" is bugged
Meanie 1 Jan, 2022 @ 3:26pm 
I tried the mod but ended up removing it. I'd love to use a lite version of it, with simplified and rarer desires
illegalysmol 1 Jan, 2022 @ 12:16pm 
Another thing, "Wants object of X quality" is a bit illogical. As they for some reason never accept qualities ABOVE that quality as acceptable
illegalysmol 1 Jan, 2022 @ 12:13pm 
Decent Mod. Two main complaints. You get infinite mood when you get a "bedroom" desire, and fulfill it. And 2. The default speed at which you get new desires is ridiculous, whats the point of desires if they are just constant, and therefore not memorable or shaping your character
Elth 1 Jan, 2022 @ 10:01am 
this opens up the possibilities of random side quests...
AngleWyrm 1 Jan, 2022 @ 8:49am 
@Don't Farm Me Thanks,
The argument "rewarded you for overcoming challenges" does not describe Rimworld. See this list of solutions to remedy that false claim, as presented by base game, DLC and mods. https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2688295123
Don't Farm Me Thanks 31 Dec, 2021 @ 9:17am 
@AngleWyrm I feel like you're stating the obvious. Yes, it's a difficulty mod. Ideology was a difficulty DLC. Both, however, rewarded you for overcoming those difficulties. You act like it's strictly punishment. If you want to just make the game easier, that's fine. But please, if you don't like the mod, just don't download it. Complaining about someone's mod philosophy is just pointless.

Also, complaining about Ideology is hilarious considering you can fine tune it before the game even starts. When set-up properly, you can make your game stupidly easy. If that's what you mean by "driving player behavior" then I feel bad for you every time you have to click randomize in the pawn creation screen. Oh wait, let me guess, Prepare Carefully user? Even more irony. :steamfacepalm:
I Haven't Had Sex Since 2003 29 Dec, 2021 @ 11:30am 
have you ever had a dreaaammzzz that u could u would u'd do something so much u could do anything!!!!1!!1!1!!!
noenear  [author] 29 Dec, 2021 @ 6:54am 
@sidfu1
What did you use to saw these stats?
I guess you use dubs performance analizer to check mod performance, it doesn't work with transpiler patch, it show the performance for the whole method instead of only the patch.
You just saw the number of call of every pawn expose data.
sidfu1 28 Dec, 2021 @ 7:45pm 
the older one ran at around .8ms to 2ms for performance and would do at times 1.5 million calls just to load the game. later it would start spiking up to 300ms as your game got older.

this is 1.2 before rocket man had its world pawn throttling so i think most of its issue was that it added the dreams comp to every pawn that generated so it tried to keep track of all those pawns even if ti was just a quick check.
AngleWyrm 28 Dec, 2021 @ 9:55am 
Not an option to use two different versions of the Spice of Life mod simultaneously; you must choose either the one that rewards player behavior, or the one that punishes player behavior, or if that's too hard to do then go without.
noenear  [author] 28 Dec, 2021 @ 7:44am 
@PetLoverSpy
Yeah relationship can be tricky, there already a wish to have a bond with an animal and the lack of control over it make it really hard to fulfill.
Wishing for slave is a nice idea, I will see how to add it.

@sidfu1
I don't remember the previous version had this type of issue. I can check if you tell me more about it.
noenear  [author] 28 Dec, 2021 @ 7:30am 
@AngleWyrm
Well, most people prefer mod that make the game easier, that not my case, but in your example I would basically use both mod together.
For Ideology, I think the point is to shape your ideology in the way you want to play, not be subjet to one that don't match your playstyle.

@hakabata
I will fix the typo, thank for the report.
Well instead of having -25 mood it will just have something like -8 if you totally ignore the wish, and even partially fulfilling it should make it positive for the time the pawn have the wish.
I also increased the chance to have easier wish at high expectation,so instead to be a Loosing is fun it should be more an Adventure story to a Strive to survive.
AngleWyrm 28 Dec, 2021 @ 3:16am 
I bought the Ideology DLC, but no longer play the game with that DLC installed, primarily because it uses mood debuffs as a driver for player behavior. This is the same philosophical argument that in Minecraft led to two versions of a food variety mod Spice of Life. Judging by downloads, the version that created debuffs for failure to provide diet variety has 11.7 million downloads, but the version that offers buffs for adding variety has 22 million downloads, even though it was made three years later.
hakabata 28 Dec, 2021 @ 2:09am 
First report, a typo in a wish name called 'Builduing* to honor the dead'. And it looks still hardcore btw. My colony has only few fallen, yet this wish demanded me to build 5 caskets, 15 pots, large tombstones in, what, 4 days. No way lol. But I am used to such situation when using this mod. Good to see it's back.
sidfu1 27 Dec, 2021 @ 8:24pm 
did you fix the issue the older orginal versions had with it doing to many calls?
Risk 27 Dec, 2021 @ 3:45pm 
Great mod, having a child could be one tho would require a patch one of the children mods
Lugaru 27 Dec, 2021 @ 2:49pm 
So happy you revisited that older mod... I both loved it and had to uninstall it because Travel would destroy pawns mood (not being able to fulfill their wishes). Cant wait to try this new version.
PetLoverSpy 27 Dec, 2021 @ 2:18pm 
This looks awesome! Perhaps wishes related to making friends or getting into a relationship? Although I could see the issue there since the player has no control over that. Adding more pawns to the colony? (recruiting/slaves)

Mod compatibility could also add a bunch of wishes, like Children School and Learning to wish for a child, or VFE Insectoids and the future VE Genetics to wish for new genetic monstrosities, etc