Yes, affects Lords and Heroes.

also for lord/ hero?

Both mods adjust the same table. If they were elegant with the design, including only the data changed there (and no the entire table) then maybe. But best thing to do is try it and see, put this mod on the bottom and see how it plays together. If you don't like it, swap the loading order and see if that helps.

Hi, does anyone know if this mod is compatibile with brutal battles 3?

Sounds like it might be fine, best to try it and see.
Whether the AI attacks a settlement or sieges it should have nothing to do with this mod, though. Certainly every time the AI attacks me, they attack, rarely siege.

would this mod be compatible ?

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3428755738&searchtext=ai+coordinated

you both make changes to battle ai movements

Ai seems to siege settlements they can easily take instantly with this enabled

I haven't played SFO myself but maybe someone else who has could give you a good answer.

But I'd say get both LBM and ELBM mods and then turn one on, play a bit like that, then turn it off and turn the other one on and play a bit and see which one you like better. It shouldn't hurt anything to try it out and see which one you prefer.

I have played SFO for years. But now I want to try something else. But I do like the length of SFO battles. Which mod will suit me best? Longer Battles or Extra Longer Battles? If you have tried SFO and can answer ofc haha

Well, that is a very board and general statement. Plenty of times a LL will get routed, often killed (wounded) before the rest of the army routs, it just depend on the army, and the lord. Nothing in this mod changes any of that, really.

have to say this mod doesnt make much sense, i routed every unit but the legendary lord and despite being alone and surrounded they kept fighting and i had to take more losses cuz LLs are..... well powerful. but if you route the entire army the lord shouldn't keep fighting cuz that just makes everything tedious

No, sorry, no other version of this mod other than the "longer" version.

Is there a version of this mod but without decreasing recharge rate of magic and without 2x hp for gates?

@onesimo.fermin61
Thanks! Sometimes swapping the loading order might cause one to override the other enough to work. I'd recommend swapping it around and see how it plays.

@RockType
In the three years the mod has been available, I haven't heard anyone mention that - so I don't think it is likely caused by this mod.

Thanks for this amazing mod, I wanted to ask you, I was trying this with SFO, but I see that it doesn't have the same effect as using it with the vanilla version, any recommendations so that both can work together?

Does anyone else get a big stutter after every battle with this on?

Hmm, OK, I can look into cutting the rate of Ravenous Dead a bit more, again, that is not a problem - let me look into it.

My guess is that this ability is stacking with the normal regeneration rate. Seeing as how both this and the normal regeneration rate is now correctly scaled at the same rate (when I fixed it back in MAR), if it is still too much then it implies that the base game's Regen+Ravenous Dead stacking was way too high there too. I will have to test it a bit more.

Echoing what Ire said in March, Ghorst's zombies (and other units) are still ridiculously hard to kill due to regen. Even disintegration barely outpaces it.

The mod does not directly affect the autoresolve in any way, so if there is an influence being placed on it, then it has to do with the how autoresolve does its base calculations, *possibly* by taking into account the to-hit probabilities. But then, I never heard anyone complain about that either. In any case, if it is affecting the autoresolve, then that is just how WH3 works at a basic level, nothing to do with this mod itself. The AR is bit of a mystery too, kind of like black magic fudge, that I don't think even CA fully understands.

On the other hand, I greatly dislike how the autoresolve works (I think it is the weakest part of WH3), and I think it is far too generous, giving no incentive for the player to fight most of the battles out. With that in mind, I use my own autoresolve mod to make things more challenging. Try it out - you may or may not like it and you can get it here:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2859831333

I’ve been thoroughly enjoying the mod but I noticed that your mod is impacting autoresolve results. One result was showing as a decisive victory with the mod installed but it seemed generous, so I saved and restarted without the mod and it was actually a valiant defeat. Is that intended?

I see, no problemo!

Ah, OK, I will take a look at the description.

Truth be told, it was written back in 2022, and some things did get changed yes - based on complaints, suggestions, feedback etc. It could be that I didn't correct or clarify the text, most likely.

So the "adjusted the reniforcement time" is misleading? and needs more context, info.
Would have suggested adding 1 minute. but if its all in the lightning strike skill, the description should reflect that.

It does, with the Lightning Strike skill/ability, but intentionally not that much until (because some complained). So, at 1x level it isn't that noticeable, but 3x should be.

But no, overall (base) reinforcement time in general is not increased here, if that is what you mean, and it shouldn't be, because the battle length is not increased enough to significantly matter. But if someone is trying to rush in there and defeat a battle within ~2 minutes (like you could do in the standard game all the time) *before* reinforcements arrive, then you need Lighting Strike skill for that. This is the approach that seemed to get the best feedback (and also makes Lightning Strike more useful), but obviously not everyone will be happy all the time.

Ive noticed this mod does not increase reinforcement time.

Thank you for the compliment, yes I tried to make it work with everything.
Have fun!

Volcano, you are a gentleman and a scholar. This even works on modded units. Changing the "to hit %" instead of modifying the health pools individually was genius.

You probably want mt Extra Longer Battle Mod. This one is shorter than that, but you can try each one to see which you like better.

Probably a dumb question. I've been looking for a mod that allows me some time to look at the models fighting and actually enjoying the bloody melee. Is that what this mod is for without too much impact on balance? Radious does the same but it changes too much for me to enjoy it.

I updated it, no more capital letters in the tables. It was tedious, and CA says they will fix it, but I don't quite trust that a future update will not break it again so the change/fix here doesn't hurt.

I roll back the game to version 6.0.5 and all mods are good. 6.1 can wait some days/weeks

Yeah it's pretty catastrophic for the modding scene. Thankfully one of the devs (WilliamCA) acknowledged it, so hopefully we will see a fix soon.

Gah, WTF, that is basically every table in every mod. They will need to hotfix that.

Apparently if any of the files in your mod have a capital letter in it, the game will crash on startup now. Just CA things I guess.

OK thanks, I don't know what they did in this new update but apparently it broke a lot of mods. I will look into it when I can.

crashes at launch with the new 6.1 update.

OK, I took a look and fixed it, but I think you mean the Extra Longer Battles Mod here:
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2853235998
That version of the mod is the one that has scaled regeneration abilities. This mod's melee combat is not considered to be long enough to need to adjust the regeneration rate here (none are changed in this mod).

OK thanks for the info, I will take a look when I can.

@volcano
Speaking of Regen mechanics:
Last time I played this with ghorst I found his (and kemmler's) unique zombie regen mechanic (the ravenous dead) might be unbalanced in this mod - you might have missed it, unless its supposed to be that strong. (ghorst doesnt start with it, he has to pick up the skill, but kemmler's recruited zombies (not summoned) get it right off the bat, if I recall correctly)

The mod does adjust regeneration to better match the longer battles, but it is possible that I missed one. But if those units use the "Regeneration" effect, then it should be covered. It definitely doesn't make regeneration faster though, only slower.

Does this do anything about regeneration? My hunter and paymaster was unable to take down a single beast of nurgle during a battle and I had to give up and wait for it to lose leadership.

I have seen troops get exhausted, mainly for charging and meleeing and being very acting in that regard (or firing a lot). Melee leaders are the best example, often they become exhausted. I guess it all depends on whether or not the unit stops to do nothing for a bit - but I think the fatigue accumulation is pretty good here (unlike the historical versions of this mod, TW3 the units are quicker to rest to encourage more "action").

Keep in mind also that some perks and technologies, items, etc do make it where certain units (or the entire army) never accumulates fatigue, or increases it at a slower rate.

do you think the fatigue levels are ok? it seems you can go a whole battle without anyone reaching the exhausted state. Is that normal?

Hard to say, but try this: put his mod at the top, then see how it feels - it certainly wouldn't conflict with any unit stat changes. Then after a while, swap the order and see if you notice anything better or worse. But generally speaking, I think putting this mod at the top is the best choice, because it has such a small footprint.

@Volcano Hello and thanks for your work. I have a question about the loading order of your mod: if I put it above another mod that edits unit stats but also the attack frequency, which of the two will prevail?
Thanks for the answer :)

Hard to say, honestly. i have suspicious down to this one tho, since it affects units. also there were a few patches since the dlc release, so its either on CA or the mod whichever it could be somehow letting the khorne blood shrine take all the hits, foregoing hit chance into guaranteed hits, so yeah it is odd. xD

I don't see how this mod would affect it specifically, the mod makes global changes, not changes to specific units (which is why it works with just about all other mods). Do you have any other mods in use? Either way, I will give it a look, though - just saying that it is odd.

Take a look at the khorne blood shrine, apparently it dies immediately when fighting stuff.

Yes, it should work with any custom battles.

does this work on custom battles too because none of these from other creators seem to do