This mod doesn't look maintained, so I made a patch mod to fix the engine room problem: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3202252013

The update basically broke half my ships, can you fix these please. They dont seem to work when attached to an engine room

Since the last update. all my Dorsal Thrusters dont seem to be working. Is anyone else having this issue?

@Enderluck. Dorsal. means its on top of the ship. there fore base level stuff is below the thruster.

@Thundercraft:

You may want to consider publishing your version of the mod for now, since this version seems to currently be an orphan. I know that I'd love to try it with your tweaks!

My thoughts in situations like these are that if you've

1.) made a good-faith effort to contact the author;
2.) the mod doesn't include language asking/telling people not to make derivative or spin-off mods;
3.) you are explicit in your own mod description that it is an offshoot of the original mod, including link and credit to the original author and noting that were unable to reach the author for affirmative permission; and
4.) clearly communicate that you will take down the mod should the original author return and request that you do so;

that you're doing a service for/improving/benefiting the community by updating a mod that people enjoy.

I'm certainly not The Decider for these things, but I think it's a pretty decent stance. :)

Does this still work?

Why the 2 doors limit? It is quite weird, I can recall on any normal part that has that type of special limitation.

Hi, why are you able to put a dorsal thruster right after another dorsal thruster? Shouldn't the fire of the first thruster prevent you from putting a second thruster behind?

can you update this to the newest version of cosmoteer please?

@charlatan_ [author]:
(part 1)
Quote, "Message me on Steam or Reddit (u/Charlatangle) if you'd like to improve the artwork - particularly the normal maps. I am not good at art."

I tried to contact you on Reddit. But I could not find u/Charlatangle. And how can we contact you via Steam? You disabled comments on your profile. While I sent a friend invite over 2 weeks ago (going on 3), it's still pending.

Quote, "...While this certainly breaks vanilla ship design, I did try to balance them to some degree. Dorsal Thrusters are slightly more expensive and less powerful than their vanilla counterparts."

I like this mod. However, we may disagree slightly about game balance. I think by late game, the usefulness of the Large Thruster is somewhat limited. The Huge Thruster (and other thrusters added by popular mods) is much more thrust efficient. So I dislike the idea of nerfing the thrust.

(part 2)
"V1.1.0 - 19 NOV 22:
Increased the Steel & Coil cost; added Tristeel to the price."
"V1.1.1 - 20 NOV 22:
Removed Tristeel cost. Compensated by increasing Steel cost."

Personally, I'd prefer if Tristeel was put back and the thrust nerf be either removed or mitigated.

Quote, "* Better artwork and normal maps... Or just overhauled art.
* Add extra sizes.

I like this mod so much that I developed more thruster sizes. First, I created a Dorsal Huge Thruster. The hardest part was modifying/creating the artwork.

Then I created a Dorsal Standard Thruster. For some reason I could not figure out, the Nozzle part of my Dorsal Standard Thruster did not want to appear on the outside view. (It appeared fine on the inside view.) I spent hours... nay, a day or two, trying to figure out the issue. I even asked for help on the Discord, even posting my code. But they could not help me solve it. Eventually, I figured out an unusual art workaround to make it look as it should.

(Part 3)
So I finished my version with 3 sizes of dorsal thrusters. (I tweaked the cost and balance a bit to fit my playstyle.) I've been using it for over a week now and it works just fine.

I'm more than willing to share my version. Can we collaborate? I may prefer different construction costs and thrust values, though. Maybe you can use my art and code and I can use yours in my own version (with credit given, of course)? On the right hand side of your workshop items there is an "Owner Controls" panel. One of the choices is "Add/remove Contributors". You could add me as a Contributor to this and I could add you to my own version?

ist this mod compatible with the new "real time" build functionality?

can you update this to the newest version of cosmoteer please?

Can you please add Remote Power support?

增加了一个背侧（屋顶安装）推进器，该推进器不限于船的外部。



背侧推进器可以安装在任何地方，而不会干扰船的其他部分。他们仍然受益于机舱，这意味着你可以在船上的任何地方设计工程。虽然这肯定打破了普通船的设计，但我确实试图在某种程度上平衡它们。背侧画眉鱼比香草画眉鱼的价格略高，但威力也较小。它们也仅限于两扇门。



如果你想改进艺术品，特别是普通地图，请在Steam或Reddit（u/Charlatangle）上给我留言。我不擅长艺术。



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can you make it so the cone of the dorsal thrusters is not prohibited by vanilla thrusters no build zones, since it should be residing above the hull it shouldnt be considered in the path of the vanilla thrusters mounts, and even then vanilla thrusters can have their cones inside no build zones for other thrusters, im trying to use the dorsal thruster as a replacement for 2 standard thrusters on the exterior of the ship since it doesnt obstruct armor and other thrusters and has 400 kilonewtons more thrust than 2 standard thrusters while occupying the same amount of space internally. thanks for this fantastis mod, can wait to see where it goes from here.

Thanks for the changes. I had to rework my ships and they look pretty ugly now^^. Old designs didnt worked anymore since they blocked a 2x3 field infront of the exit. Stripping a freighter half of its engines, wich have more weight, less power and fairly increased cost made them unusable. Especially for miners, desintigration turrets and turret PDs. Btw, i noticed that mining turrets dont block their laser beams anymore. So even the dev noticed how annoying that was.

And engines blocking PD rounds... Really appreciate the change. That you cant rotate a deck gun barrel above them makes sense. Some released a mod that uses vanilla guns as turrets.

@Shuri-Sama: This happens to me too even with vanilla engines. Sometimes the ship just moves infront of its position and doesnt move those 2-3 blocks backwards. Autopilot has a specific issue with asymetric designs. Wich is known.

I’d love to see up-rated expansions to this. Slight tweaks to make a versatile maneuver kit behind armor.

@Shuri-Sama You should send me a screenshot of one of your ship designs. I'd like to test this myself and see if I can figure out what's going on.

did you check about the movement? since last patch sth not right if i go from poasition x to y my ship goes for ahead to the goal moves back moves forwards and so on. its really terrible to aim a target especially in asteroid fields where it is important to halt at the position you r aiming for.

@Colios I've removed this feature. You should be good to use these more or less as you previously had.

They also don't cost Tristeel, but the Steel cost has gone up a little.

Keep the feedback coming if you think they could be improved.

@Ebhar I've removed this. I'd rather enable people to build the ships they want to build than to hamfist them into an already-distorted version of vanilla balance.

Other roof-mounted components, such as Deck Guns, will still block these.

Can we get an option for the old version? Im really not liking the new blocking.

you can use other none roof items for the gap. quarters or power cells for example

Will there be a non blocking option too? I used them on my cargo ships wich are equiped with mining lasers and a good amount of point defense turrents. Integrated them in fighters and my frigates too.

The higher price, size and noticable lower thrust were already balancing enough. The additional need of tri-steel makes them kinda not worth it. Except late/endgame i guess.

hmm are u sure the thrusters working correct. my backwards thrusters are activated (flying forwards). the 4 fields space between other roof items makes sense, so still very powerfull but not as op as before and still quiet cheap compared to others which i have ^^

@ Griffin It should now, along with Mining Lasers, Sensor Arrays, and other Dorsal Thrusters. Maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting as well.

does this block deck cannons?

ah one thing, can u make the doors at a fix position. dont need everywhere doors (2 r more than enough) but its really annyoing that thedoorsr always flashing

Oooooh!

@Pvt. Licker As far as I can tell, thrusters apply a force vector dependent on where they sit relative to the ship's centre of mass. Asymmetry seems to lead to forward-facing thrusters firing here and there in an attempt to keep the ship angled correctly. There's literally nothing differentiating these from vanilla thrusters in terms of function & manner of operation, so I'm guessing it's just part of normal navigation.

I'm running into some weirdness where these thrusters will occasionally fire when they shouldn't. For example a forward-facing braking thruster fires when the ship is going full speed ahead. My ship is slightly asymmetrical so my guess would be it has something to do with that

OK just took a look at the exact art you have. Dont really know what you think would make it better here. Just a large thruster but on the roof.

@basilus88 An art upgrade would be greatly appreciated!

Like do you need help with the mod coding part of it or just the art? Because i could maybe whip up an art upgrade a bit.

I'd love to see a 4-way, dorsal maneuvering thruster.

Also, I agree with what @Street Captain said.

shoud remind folks that sometimes "OP" is ok

its ok to have fun y'all

loving this mod and don't mind if it's OP :)

Also totally agree with Street Captain that way it's not "too OP" and need the use of strategy to place them correctly!

Yes, exactly what Street Captain said.

For balance I would recommend having them restrict other roof-bound parts, in a similar fashion to the Deck Cannon

NICE!!!!!! if you wanted to balance them some more, make them a bit longer so you have a row of heat shielding directly after the nozzle and buff the cost a bit more.

omg. these r so op. just use it on my big warship. even i have mich stronger thrusters but for them i need really much space. but to put yours everywhere where i want with no deadzoneis really a big help.

can u make more of them with different size and power. i luv these ^^

neat ! definitely looking forward to smaller sizes, not much use case I can think of at the moment.