ah, then that makes alot more sense, very nice addon tho

That is unfortunately due to how ACF-3 handles player damage right now, as all of the weapons use as real values as I could get so they feel right, and while I was testing them I had an altered player damage function so energy was more involved, which made them properly deadly. I currently have an open pull request that changes that particular function to behave appropriately.

the damage on alot of these out of the box are very weak against players and simphys, its like 20 rounds to the head and does like 11 total damage

Do you by chance have any addons that might for some reason interfere with the FrameNumber() function?

[ACF-3 SWEPs] lua/weapons/weapon_acf_base.lua:639: attempt to compare nil with number
1. unknown - lua/weapons/weapon_acf_base.lua:639

That's not officially endorsed, and uploaded by someone not on the development team