bugged
laboratories inside ships do not count as a laboratory when you are in space
you have a constant -10 mood malus for this

Nice! Should have been a part of the base DLC imo.

0: Good mod. I lilke this. Ave Zero.

Did John Draper make this mod?

Nice. It's still a little annoying that pawns on away missions complain that we don't have a lab out in the wilderness, but at least the mood penalty is balanced by the lower expectations that we have when away from home. Personally I would have taken the best of all maps, but it's still better than it was before.

[Auto-generated text]: Update on 10/17/2024 9:25:43 PM.

- Fixed an oversight that caused all Empiricist pawns to only pay attention to the laboratory quality of your most recently created colony. This meant if you settled a new colony, all your pawns on your old colony would ignore the unbelievably impressive lab at home and start griping about the lack of a laboratory on the new colony! The game now tracks each valid map's lab quality, and your Empiricist pawns will only care about the quality of the lab on the map they're currently on.

There seems to be a bug with the lab requirement when a colonist is on another map, everyone , that's her and everyone who stayed at home, gets the -10 mood for not having a lab even though I do have one. As soon as I reformed the caravan, it went back to the bonus for the lab that I have.

I'm having a problem where it seems that even though I have a lab, i get the -10 debuff anyway.

@Hoihe Runa Dacino I haven't been able to replicate this error, but I put in a check that should disable meditation modifiers if you don't have Royalty. Lemme know if the issue persists.

This mod apparently requires Royalty DLC without making it explicit. I got a stacktrace asking about meditation modifiers, which, since I don't have royalty, it failed to find.

@Emperor Thaloth

Faith as a meme here does not simply mean 'is religious'. If I thought that being religious would somehow inherently make someone worse at research I would have applied the debuff to every Structure other than Ideological. This meme in particular is a representation of a culture that specifically regards evidence-based research as being at-odds with their beliefs and prioritizes tradition over empirical evidence. Not because all religions are like this, but because some ideologies ARE like this. You can, for instance, have a Christian Empiricist ideoligion or a non-religious Ideological Faith ideoligion in this mod.

It's fair to say that this mod is on the face of it playing into the 'science vs religion' trope but I think it adds enough options to allow you to transcend the cliche

Why does everyone think religion would reduce research speed? Many of the great scientists throughout history have been religious, some were even devout.

@WJSabey just a thought, use a mod that adds ghost walls/doors to section off a laboratory section of the throne room so your "one room" is technically two but looks like one xD

Siddi No they arn't

Great memes, though unfortunately the way the base game categorises rooms means no throne room/laboratory combination. The throne takes priority and you get the "no laboratory" mood debuff.

These two memes are contradcitionary, yet it is allowed to have both of them at the same time.

For me, it occurs if any map, aside my base one, is active. Outpost, underground layer from deeprim, raiding maps. The lack of laboratory on these maps create the negative through for my pawns. I don't know if it is a bug or an incompatibility, but that what happens.

i feel like these should be low/medium impact rather then high it makes it annoying to start off as in fluid ideo

Well now its a lab again. Not too sure what that's all about.

I have a lot of mods, and its likely some sort of conflict, but any idea why this might be happening? It was working fine for a bit but seemingly decided that this was no longer a laboratory.

https://imgur.com/a/D9uadZ3

Hey Mort, can we get a Greed based Meme for Ideology? Like one that increases mood based upon the amount of wealth the settlement has? I know there's a Trader meme, but that's not quite what I was looking for and I can't find anything else like what I described.

@Daeharde Trihardt @FuriousPixel

I've added an additional mechanic to make Empiricists a bit more interesting and powerful. Empiricists now get mood bonuses for having an impressive laboratory, and mood debuffs for not having one. This means that Empiricists can get a nice ideologion-wide mood bonus, so long as they have a good laboratory.

As to whether this is enough of a bonus, I'll have to play around with it and see how it feels. Let me know what you think of the change!

I love your answers in the Q&A section lol

@Daeharde Trihardt i agree tbh, having it unlock research specialist is cool but it doesnt really do anything otherwise

glad we having Ideology renesance

Do you get a -100 debuff if you're an empiricist but you aren't wearing a fedora?

@Possum
The idea is that these memes represent which principle is valued more by society. Naturally both are present in any society, as just as every society has some elements of both Individualism and Collectivism, for instance. And yes, like much of philosphy from hundreds of years ago, the original concept of Empiricism was ridiculously black and white. It seems blindingly obvious today that evidence is useless without logic and that logic is pretty limp without evidence.

@LAJ-47FC9 (Liara)
I had considered that, but decided that the term Materialism is just too close to its alternate, consumerist meaning

Admittedly, Faith seems quite a lot stronger from a gameplay perspective. Research speed alone is quite mediocre in contrast to the variety of bonuses afforded to Faith.

Perhaps some buffs to Mechanitor/Mechanoid interactions? Crafting speed?

I would have gone with "Materialist" for the science one, because I've played entirely too much Stellaris and I've been talking too much about materialism recently.

"the idea behind this mod was to represent the difference between a person who focuses on hard evidence and a person who focuses on devout faith"

1. false dichotomy, as everyone relies upon both empirical evidence and faith (including empiricists).
2. empiricism's central epistemological claim (knowledge comes exclusively from our senses, as you stated) is an invalid argument, because that claim didn't come from any of your senses. it's a self-defeating epistemological claim.

Insular vs. cosmopolitan is an interesting contrast. Former might give a mood bonus, while the latter gives bonuses to reputation from trade/missions and bonuses to trade prices?

idk im just speculating lol

@Mort Strudel the main reason why I wanted the Isolationist vs Globalist is because the Isolationist meme from "Vanilla Factions Expanded: Ancients" is kinda meh, and I was looking for a standalone one without all the Ancient "superhero" stuff for a while. For upsides, they could have increased learning to compensate for lack of people, or maybe the less people, the less mental breaks since they are around people they highly trust. Maybe also higher opinion among colonist of total number of colonists are low...

RIP Your comment section lol. Thank you for the mod!

This is neat. My first question was going to be why the psylink (which is superscience) would be weakened by the empiricists, but you covered that in the flavor text in a neat way. I also thought that research speed precept was pointless since you could just set it to anything you wanted for any reason, so it's very nice to tie it in to something.

@Archilyte Hm, an Isolationist vs Globalist axis could be interesting, though it'd be hard to figure out what upsides the isolationists should have.

If you are planning to make more of these type of mods, may I suggest open-mindedness and close-mindedness? Ideologies that actively seek out interaction with people vs people who want to be disconnected from the rest of the world?

Mort strikes again at giving ideology interesting memes, one mod at a time. This is one looks very cool and awesome
Tho i want to be mister philosophy major and say some may have faith to gain knowledge on the spiritual world, but be scientific when it comes to the material world. You'll catch me doing theistic empiricist colonies and there's nothing you can do about it!

Very cool. Another addition that should be in the base game, thanks for this!