plot twis there is a Zen rework in progress i hope :(

It's sad that the character was discontinued, my mono Zen journey was good for as long as it lasted, too bad it didn't last long and he was banned from my yomi group's tierlist because of his burst (for obvious reasons of completely taking away the reward of the correct reading of the enemy), anyway, rest in peace Zen

Speaking of throws, apparently Zen's forward throw no longer works and just softlocks the opponent. At this point, it's been a fun ride, but you should probably uninstall Zen for your own sanity.

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@onixmurcielago
I made a movelist doc for a reason man... But yes Burst being unblockable and dealing damage was the plan, it's SCREWED UP I know, but I'm planning a full rework that makes Zen fairer and cooler.

As for throw tech, it being faster was intended, but it's straight up impossible to combo off of, the most he can get is a Ki Shot meaty or an Overhead meaty in the corner..? Maybe some weird bug? But I'm testing it now and yeah throw tech's invulnerability lasts the entire time.

@LxL_egacy yo. Is burst supposed to do 10 (100) damage?
Also grab tech (when two grabs clash) is ready early, making it possible for Zen to combo off of.

So like, idk why but the latest update broke his burst, it's unparryable. You might want to look into that. Happened in a fight with the King of Curses mod, idk if any other character causes it but i think it's worth looking into jic.

it's on the list
will probably end up making my own

Hey, just a suggestion: Could you give the future Zen some more impactful sound effects? When using this Zen against other characters, his moves didn't feel as impactful. I think it was because of the sound and visual FX but he animates really cool and I really like his current kit so, seeing that he's getting a reworked version in the future gets me excited. Good luck on all your projects, though!

yeah it was planned for an update that is now a total revamp
so that move will exist in the future, just not on this Zen
I don't really have the motivation to work on this version of Zen, he's just so flawed
so I'm starting over, and this time I'll actually try and follow through on my plans for him

but for now, I have other characters I'm working on

Came back around here cuz I was interested, and I was wondering, I found a special move called "Rapid Blows" when fucking around in Inf. Resources + EX Turbo, and it doesn't seem to show up in your movelist doc, or actually be able to be used in proper singleplayer.

Just wanted to know if you were still working on properly implementing it or not, since it isn't a Frenzy attack.

I guess I should mention after my (sort-of) break, I'll be trying to update all of my characters relatively soon
for Zen this means... nothing for now lol. Sorry Zen dudes. I'm still designing his revamp, but technically speaking, this version of him is complete.

YOOO, the dodging burst works! :D

this link is not work ;-;

Sure, this leads to the replay channel there
https://discord.com/channels/1042370928195162132/1055173129846140979

You're DEFINITELY lying to me about top 10 best made characters, there are some *fantastic* characters out there
but thanks

I'll consider changing Burst but no promises, we'll see
I'll keep it in mind

I'm not on the discord server, if it's not too much trouble could you give me the link?

and about the character again, congratulations, he is very well done, top 10 best-made characters in the game

he already has his two super movements with armor and his disappearance which allows him to enter very easily against characters with projects, if that wasn't enough I think it's better to add more ways to approach safely, the burst being unavoidable only punishes characters who depend on security to enter and punish your opponent since he already has a solid defense with his reverse and his needle beam as an anti-air and his escape as a dodge, the character is great offensively and defensively, he doesn't need an unavoidable explosion like he already There are many strong ways to defend yourself and get closer

I mean I assumed it'd be strong but as someone who is def experienced with this game, didn't think Burst being unblockable would really change much about his matchup spread, considering his major lack of both range and projectiles/setplay tools
Like if he had some sort of lingering hitbox out that he could burst you into, then sure I'd change it being unblockable
I for sure don't consider it broken, it's compensation for struggling everywhere else lol
You get to ignore potential parry reads and deal 10 damage, didn't think it was that big of a deal really
I'd have to get more opinions

Also, if you guys are in the modding discord, mind sending me a replay? would help to see what exact situations y'all were in

i was playing with a friend much more experiencd than me, having in mind i nly pplayed 4 round of this game, and we came to the conclusion that zen is SUPER STRONG... i mean, i won the match without knowing what zen could do and what my friends character could do to

we were talking and decided to come here and ask you to weaken the burst at least, you cant even block it you know?

his burst is uncountable, making the game very unfair and discrediting reading and playing aggressively because you know that the character can get out of any combo, after playing with him a lot I stopped precisely for that reason, there is no counterplay, it's just broken

10/10 would suggest downloading

i love this character so much, hes my main and has been for abt 2 weeks. The best part is blitz punch being able to stun lock for about half of a normal health bar if you use him right. Ki breaker is also super fun to hit on an unexpecting opponent as i delete their healthbar

Ok update, my schedule cleared up a little so I'm releasing an update today
I realized that as of right now it's not practical for me to wait before completing these new moves before updating him, because if I wait for that it'll be ages lol
I'll just update him as I can, making promises just ain't realistic currently
So yeah update today, some cool new stuff but not anything huge like I wanted

Not really, but I'm working on it as much as I can
Frenzy is taking a lot of work lol, basically a second character
Shoot, I might not even ADD Frenzy but we'll see
I'll focus on getting Zen to work with new block first

do you have any predictions on when it will be updated and released to use the caracter's frenzy mode ?

Obviously he's not updated yet
I just said it two comments down lol

Why does the grab dash not work at all?

THIS CHARACTER IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT EVER

Yeah so I mentioned the 1.8 update, I'm still doing that but it's gonna take me some time cause I'm adding more than just plus frames and guardbreaks
Bear with me, for now I suggest just avoiding using Zen as he's not ready yet lol

Pretty big update coming when the block update drops, some new content but for the most part just adjusting to new block
I'll see if I can squeeze some more moves in there, we'll see

New update soon, he's in need of a refresh
Unfortunately nothing new as far as content just adjusting what he already has, I've been busy

Oh hey lol I remember you
Yeah honestly Cowboy's way stronger than most people think, a good Cowboy sweeps most modded characters
Tough matchup for Zen
He's definitely not for everyone, forces a different playstyle with the lack of range but I like how he turned out
Thanks, well played

The character is pretty cool in my eyes, he fits a nice niche, his burst isn't beatable atm which makes him feel pretty strong in *that* regard, though I heard from you yourself that you were goint to fix that.

Most of his attacks are very short ranged, this might seem like a problem, but his super dash has armor, making him able to close distance for his short ranged moves effectively, without feeling overly oppressive as you have moves to improve your position if he does super dash.

His strength is meant to be an up close brawler, and feel he fits this niche nicely. I like where this is going he feels fairly well balanced so far, if a little bit weaker than cowboy, though that seems to be being worked on. Nice character!

I didn't think of that, but I'll work on it.

Also update, I won't be doing anything major like new moves for a while because I'm juggling a lot of stuff and also a significant update to mechanics is coming sometime soon, dunno exactly when but I'm hesitant to do anything too big just to have to adjust it later. We'll see
Thanks for the support so far

movelist should prolly have frame data but maybe I missed it

> @Jaune Yeah good idea, I just show all of my stuff on the Discord lol I'll get a demo vid up eventually...

that and I thought the movelist was pretty self explanatory and I like encouraging people exploring characters on their own... but I digress

also bruh I really @'d you like it would notify you lol

@ZenHiro Thanks!

@SugmaCheese Don't know how I went this long without realizing air grab was broken... don't know what broke it but I'll fix it immediately

@Jaune Yeah good idea, I just show all of my stuff on the Discord lol I'll get a demo vid up eventually...

Very interesting Character and refreshing for how many sword users are in the game. Thank you for yard hard work for this character. I enjoy playing Zen because they are so unique instead of getting in with moves you need to actually walk or dash which makes so much more sense than moving around the specials or sword moves, maybe its just my opinion but I think you did a good job.

Grab in the air broke my game

Maybe do a demo video or two about the combo potential of the character to show how he can be played. If comments are not showing proofs, then do it

Aight

i wonder why the comments are getting repetitive maybe because the character isnt as good as you think it is the moves are all slow and not well made the charge is kind of useless too and any combo you try and do wont be true

this character sucks

Bruh he is BUILT for combos, that's user error
covering distance shouldn't be an issue, controlling space is a weakness because no easily accessible projectiles but dude has multiple movement tools
You guys gotta start providing actual proof these comments are getting repetitive

This guy can't combo or cover distance to save his life please do something about this

Aight so since the next update's 2.0 and all, gonna try and get all of the big new additions in there. Final animation updates, new normal, new special(s?), new super(s!?), and all of the stuff that I just haven't been able to do yet. So might take me a while but it'll be worth it I swear

Ok it should be working as of the latest update, try reinstalling

Thought I fixed that already I'll check it out, thanks

New update to how grabs work seems to have broken zen's grab, making the game crash immediately if you click on on his air grab at all. Ground one seems ok tho

Specific examples are appreciated, I have a discussion open