It emerged from the mass edits in agile models but the values are still impactful, in vanilla the cap is 70 anyways so you wouldn't get much damage though it could potentially go to several hundreds. in a cav->infantry scenario in vanilla you get 380 damage but it's capped at 70, with this you get 200 with no cap, and a bit more with agile models and this given same speeds.

Just to clarify the game collision system calculates in a size hierarchy manner, so large->medium but medium won't have collision calculated with other medium.

Ah! So it's kind of designed for agile models mass changes, and without them it'll actually reduce charge impacts as it relies on AM's mass increases?

Hello friend, no melee attack doesn't affect collision damage, the formula calculates mass and speed changes only, and inflicts a normalizer - a rational exponent to scale heavy things and a modifier - an absolute reduction in damage.

I'v removed the normalizer so there isn't any negative scaling and reduced the modifier so it doesn't get to insane amounts of damage, and capped it at 1000.

this leads to about half damage is most casual cases but still enough to kill models and with greater potential given greater mass changes and higher speed impacts. as stated agile models mass changes "benefit" from this change as mass was greatly scaled upwards.

am I right in understanding your changes to the collision normalisation (0.7 to 1) and modifier (0.6 to 0.2) lead to weaker charges by creatures with weaker melee attack (infantry, light cav) but much more powerful ones by high damage monsters? with normal cav presumably somewhere in the middle?

maths wise it doesnt seem to make charges more powerful generally, just if the initial value is higher

I believe the collision damage that is modified by the above is based on the unit's melee attack, I've read that elsewhere, but I could be wrong!

It was already ported by Orendiz

Do plan on porting this to WH3?

great suggestion, thank you!

Thank bro!

Try "No more stupid animations" mod to remove stupid plunging animations. I also lowered the jump attack chance in my "Agile models" mod.

Again loving the mod so far!

The genuine threat of a defenceless rear makes positioning far more important and retreat/cycle charging far more costly/not worth it unless the unit is pinned by something else

The bracing angle change is fantastic, it makes forming a line mean something rather than being undone by the AI's chaotic charging angles for no apparent reason

I also love the single entity rear vulnerability - though I have one issue with it, being that vanilla animations will often plunge them headlong into the middle of an enemy unit, getting them surrounded, with no way to tell them not to bloody do that! It's a little potentially frustrating, though beyond removing certain animations (which isn't much fun), I'm not sure what could be done.

in an ideal world, the 'leaping into the enemy' mechanics would be an ability the unit could activate so you could control the animation somewhat and use as desired - but I get that is potentially not easy...

Hello this is another separated mod which alters another table (kv_rules) which deadly attack dynamics and agile models don't alter. deadly attack dynamics alter charging dynamic of specific units via the splash attack values, and agile models change the charging speed. if you want to try the changes this mod makes which are more general you need to subscribe to it.

Does this one works as standalone from Deadly Attack Dynamics and/or Agile Models?
I mean is it included in them already or do i need them and this one as well?
Because if i remember clearly they already included some changes to charging, no?

Shukran ayuni waallah ma'ac

Thanks man, I don't own warhammer 3 so won't port it, but feel totally free to copy the tables and port it there if you wish.

Good luck in your campaign, may you wreck the heathens from behind.

god damn, this sounds awesome, I'll start an Araby campaign to try this out.

Sadly way more people are playing Warhammer 3 so I would definitely recommend to port the mod(s) to that game