I have the 2-2-2-2-1 and want to install the cloak & dagger tomes. Does it work with it?

Got it - thanks for the response!

Nope

Does this still work?

Freddy, please. Update, please.

For anyone who miss this mod, I made my version. I hope it works.

https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3033224190&searchtext=

Freaky Freddy, please update.

Its actually difficult to play without this, please update.

Update pls

please update.

I think it's because the Watcher update messed with Research files.

@Dalda: Yep, it broke the mod. Shame, guess I'll have to wait for it to update before using it.

Did the watcher update broke this mod or its just on my side for some reason? I have 0 research cost on all. Yet it is my only mod, so I guess update did it.
I love this mod and cant play without it :-)

Will it be compatible with mods that require more affinity to research tomes?

@minicats Hum... it doesn't... Likely an incompatibility problem or it install incorrectly

This mod set all research speed to 0 turns. That's not what I expected from it.

maybe this will finally stop the AI from applying LITERALLY every race mod. nothing says immersion like fighting Artica, Queen of Ice. . . and fire, benevolent Demonic mistress of Order, lord of the Undead Beastkin XD

Thanks for the mod, this is one of those things that was driving me crazy as eventually you are FORCED to research every tome by the vanilla system, which means all games end up samey.

I'd love to have a 3-3-2-2-1 variant as well. 4-4-3-3-1 is just a bit too much for my tastes, so I've been settling for 2-2-2-2-1 for now.

I'll add an extra +1 to the 33221 variant; it will force a few harder choices on you throughout the game without being as mono-locked as the 22221, and it feels as though with the default that, the Tier 2 tomes are showing up just a smidgen too late (I often already have my cultural T3, around turn 24-28, when I get my first T2 tome showing up).

I'd like a 3-3-2-2-1 variant aswell, for a bit of variance since in the 2-2-2-2-1 we're kinda locked in 2 affinities to research tiers IV and V.

Would you consider doing a 3-3-2-2-1? The default allows a few too many tomes for my taste, but I also don't necessarily want to default to 2-2-2-2-1 as I think that'd feel too short.

@Nuances

The last time i tested the mod the AI seemed to be properly bound by the same mod rules as the player

I don't know how the game determines the research rankings, since the AI gets a lot of bonus they might fudge the numbers a little

The way i test is by checking the number of affinities of the of the AI in question (in the diplomacy menu)

For T3 tomes they would have at least a total of 22 affinities, but you also have to check the level of the ruler to take into account the ammount of signature skills they might have and maybe any extra heros that might grant 3 affinity

Hope this helps

Ohw, my bad, i didn't understood how it works, then.

@Nuances This mod only limite the number of tome you can have per tier it doesnt increase the research cost of the tome and you don't need 4 tier 1 tome to get to tier 2 tome, it like in the base game you need affinity point (usualy 2 tome of the same type will do)...

I think it does not affect AI. They still get their T3 tomes as before. I was rank 1 on research and not having tier 3 tomes, while the AI was building the first magical victory province.

Bravo! The game really needed this badly for longer games. Going with the 2-2-2-2-1 variant.

@Cat-Lunatic

I edit a research mechanic that is independent from the tomes

For more thechnical info check one of my other comments below

Freaky Freddy, how did you make this mod perpetually compatible with new tomes?

@Nablavector

Yeah that parameter doesn't seem to do anything, its just something that was probably relevant at some point during development but got changed

I kept the same values as vanilla just in case though

Thanks for the mod. I was playing with the mod editor and I noticed one parameter that I don't understand. On each chapter (definitions_research.rpk), there is the "length", described as: "The amount of research needed to progress through this chapter". Based on this description it seems that there should be a minimum amount of research to perform before you can select an additional tome (on top of the number of cycles). I noticed that you changed this parameter in the various chapters of your mod, but from my testing this parameter doesn't do anything. Any clues on it?

I am going to give this a spin! Certainly better than the overloaded smorgasbord that is default for the game.
Thanks in advance for your effort and work on this!

Merci pour la variante 2-2-2-2-1 !

@pelias117

Yes, thats what it says in the mod description

Only after x4 T1s will you unlock T2s

And only after x4 T2s will you unlock T3s

And only after x3 T3s will you unlock T4s

And finally after x3 T4s you will unlock your T5

For some reason, it locks me out of all tomes except for level 1 tomes. I currently have 3 level 1 tomes, and can't buy a level 2, is it supposed to be that way?

@SR In Definitions_Research.rpk there's a group called "Chapters", you can add or remove "Chapters" and each chapter corresponds to a cycle where you unlock a tome (after 4 skills researched by default)

In these "Chapters" there's an entry called "Tier Settings" where you can manipulate how many tomes are available for selection

I use these settings to lock down tome selection

You had me doubting and still hadn't tested the AI properly so i created a test mod where i locked out tomes completely and started a new game

Each ruler starts with 6 Affinity points, and by turn 15 they still hadn't gained any new affinity points

After that i ran a normal game with a test mod that reduced tome cycles (from 4 skills to 2) and in this new game by turn 7 each AI already had gained 2 affinity points

So it seems the AI gets affected the same way the player does

How does it work?
For example, if it affects the interface the AI doesn't use an interface so it wouldn't be affected.

You're a legend, thanks for adding the 2 by version :)

Updated the mod to do a bit of clean up (shouldn't affect anything)

Added variants to the mod folder, for those interested check the mod description

@Veltas as long as you have unlocked x3 T3 of any kind you should be able to pick any tome for which you have 6 affinity

Do you have any other mods? Do you have a savegame that you can load back to and test it out?

I love this. This solves all my personal issues with research bloat, "late game omni-builds" and more.

I'm not sure if I was just not paying attention, or if this is intentional - do you need 2 tomes of the same affinity, to unlock the level 4 tomes? I noticed I only had the 2 t4 astral tomes available when I unlocked T4, but I thought I had 6+ affinity in several lines.

Goooood. Please make more LIMIT mod.

@Alex the Great
I think this is a vanilla bug. Can't say for sure but I remember having this or a similar bug when playing without this mod as well.

Seriously underrated mod! Kudos man on making it work with modded tomes!

Anyone else have had weird unit glitches? Everything was working fine for me till all of a sudden, the moment I finished researching the t3 order buff for archers (can’t remember the name of it atm), applying that buff caused my archers to bug out it’s image on the world & battle map. Like the archers are fine, just their image is gone.

cmon guys, this is a good mod, with a good limitation, stop asking autor to do something else specially for you. Say thanks to him for fixing the game and play, don't be annoying

Could you upload a mod that do exactly like "Sane Tome Limits" ?

Alright, could you post a guide on how to do it yourself?

@PaleEnchantress Unfortunately i don't know how to track how many tomes of each tier a player has picked, so i have to lock and unlock them sequentially for now

Regarding the limits, each player has their own preference for this and i would have to post a new mod to the workshop every time someone asks for a different progression

If you want i can post a guide on how to do it yourself, its not very hard and all the mod tools come pre-installed with the game

i will try it in my next game, thanks a lot