OK for 1.9.0

no way that thumbnail was necessary

ok for 1.8.6

I wanted to argue with this mod idea, but I'm a bit drunk

ok for 1.8.4

ok for 1.8.3

OK for 1.8

@Wilhelm Source: White S. Russia goes dry: alcohol, state and society. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press; 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_White_(political_scientist)

As I said earlier, it's probably because Russians prefer to drink large quantities of alcohol at once, so they're better at those techniques you mentioned. The common dark humor about how Russians drink a lot of alcohol at once and it leads to disaster also comes from this.

Also, they may have learned this from the widespread alcoholism and premature deaths that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union. But this was actually an anomalous period in Russian history.

In fact, the obsession with tea better reflects the Russians' narcotic consumption preferences.

@Unmitigated Disaster

And the Chinese Han's opium obsession is similarly supported by historical evidence:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK586388/

> According to official Chinese figures, about 3.5% of the total population of China and 25% population of adult men smoked opium in 1906 (UNODC, 2008). In the USA, about 0.18% of the adult population and up to 10% of people in the medical profession were addicted to opium in 1907–1908 (UNODC, 2008). In some other countries (e.g. Iran, Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Myanmar, Indonesia, the Philippines, India, Canada), the proportions of opium users among the total populations were estimated to vary between 0.1% and 2.9% in 1907–1908

https://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2008/WDR_2008_eng_web.pdf

If you read page 214 of the file, only Perisa/Iran can be compared to China. But it still a 2.9% vs 5.4% about pervalence and 15g per capita vs 74g per capita about consumption.

@VLTRA Imitating your phrasing "Lol this guy getting mad in the comments bringing up France's wine obsession as an argument against not adding Liquor obsession to Slavs. Brother, the French had nearly 10x intake per capita with alcohol."

@Note The UK's tea obsession is not based on such stereotypes; the UK is still the largest per capita tea consumer, after Turkey and Ireland. But it was only after World War I that Turkey built up its tea industry and established the popular obsession of tea drinking. Of course, I do suggest that modder/Paradox should add a tea obsession to Irish culture. Also, Russia's current per capita consumption of tea is also quite high. But this can't be compared to UK's obsession. Of course, it would still be quite nice if the modders would add a tea obsession for Russia instead of a spirits obsession.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tea_consumption_per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_in_Turkey

https://eh.net/encyclopedia/the-history-of-the-international-tea-market-1850-1945/

Grow up. And read real resources/papers

LMAO

While playing I noticed a small little oversight with this mod, the south Slavs don't have the liquor obsession.

Lol this guy getting mad in the comments bringing up France's alcohol intake as an argument against adding Liquor obsession to Slavs. Brother, the French have an obsession with wine.

Love the mod!

lovley mod! lol

@lfcxy i read through your comments. are you sure about these numbers? are they accurate and how was it measured? russia is a really big country, too.
i love russian folks and live in germany.
every single russian i met was a master vodka / schnaps drinker and taught me many tricks to improve my drinking and hangover migitation game.
they really live up to their reputation.

please whining are the same people to act like the obsession system isnt based off stereotypes to begin with. you guys need to grow a pair

=D

lmfao thanks, polska gora

People acting like this mod is some kind of hate crime should be reminded that, in Victoria 3, the English have an obsession for tea and the Han Chinese an obsession for fucking Opium. The obsession thing is all just based on memes and stereotypes to begin with. I'm honestly shocked this wasn't in the base game.

@ifcxy get his ass. doing the lords work

I like anime girls and facts, what's wrong with that? Also you're overstating it, this hasn't risen to the level of theory yet and isn't really enough to publish a paper on - I wish I had the ability to produce a theoretical paper that quickly.

Damn people really out here attempting to write a thesis paper in the comments of a mod that has an anime girl for a PFP

That's just fucking racist.

@Caracus Your mod literally unplayable now.

Special thanks to @Caracus for the shout out.
To clarify, with his mod https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2952980917
only the "syncretic" slavic culture gets the liquor obession. To ensure continuity it is best that you also this my mod as well!

To commenmorate this already iconic and utmost import mod I have decided to add a (Pan-) Slavic syncretic culture https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2952980917
Of course in "spirits" with a liquor obession!

@Ferrous I understand your concerns and have read the Wikipedia links you have provided.
However, having this mod of yours about the world near the year 5500 is slightly outside the scope of this game, and different from the mod idea I proposed based on real historical data from the Russian Empire. I will add the "alternative" and "Fantasy" tags to the mod. Thank you.

Also, the sources you cite indicate that Russians didn't like to drink, curious.

"The Vodka protests of 1858–1859 (Russian: трезвенное движение 1858—1859 гг.) were organized to **boycott the sale and consumption of vodka in the Russian Empire**."

It looks like you didn't even read anything, so much so that you didn't even see the first sentence that would have been visible in a search.

Of course, if I had just pointed out that factual errors in the stereotype fall into the category of "pointless" and "just meme why so serious". Well, saying that everyone west of Russia is a Nazi seems like it could be rationalized with "just meme" and "get back to reddit so based coping ans seething"

Obviously, given reddit's position on Russia, the latter is relevant, not the popular one here

As for alcoholism, it is true that alcoholism is particularly high in Russia, but that does not mean that consumption is high.

Considering that it's per capita consumption that's relevant here and nothing else, alcoholism or not isn't any of the focus

I think it's fun to break stereotypes that violate facts, and some people think it's fun to defend stereotypes. Even if the latter can be rationalized, it's clear that the latter's accusation that the former is "unfunny" is just a desperate excuse to defend their stereotypes

BTW, I have no particular interest in any ethnicity, I just like to break down stereotypes that go against the facts, and correct perceptions that are in line with the facts.

Interestingly, the percentage of never drinkers in Russia is very high (34%), higher than in Europe and North America where it is around 20%. The fact that it is a minority of Russians who have a harmful drinking culture of over-drinking poor quality, high strength alcohol leads to stereotyping, but this does not mean that Russians are particularly fond of alcohol.

“These seasonal constraints did not apply in urban settings, so the growth of urbanization and, with it, the spread of the tavern during the 19th Century gave rise to the co-existence of two drinking cultures in Russia – the ‘traditional’ and the ‘modern’ – both associated with extreme drinking but the latter distinguished by more frequent drinking episodes.38 This pattern of lower overall but more intense consumption was encapsulated in the well-known saying from this period, ‘not much alcohol is drunk in Russia but it is drunk crazily’ (ne mnogo vina vypivaetsya v Rossii, no ono bezumno p'etsya).39”

@ocemccool thank for your self-description. It is funny to see people coping so hard for their stereotypes.

@Bill If speaking against stereotypes based on facts is yapper, then yapper is indeed a great honor among nerd (positive) researchers.

I'm glad people are even mentioning the 19th century, which the game mostly deals with. In fact, the difference in per capita pure alcohol intake between Russia and Western Europe was even greater in the 19th century.

{LINK REMOVED}https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19084882/

"For example, in the period 1891–1895, the annual per-capita consumption of pure alcohol was 2.3 litres in (European) Russia compared with 17.4 litres in France, 5.8 litres in the USA and 10.9 litres in the UK.37 The low level of consumption and particular drinking pattern in Russia reflected the existence of an overwhelmingly rural society which was governed by the agricultural calendar, characterized by intermittent celebrations, often coinciding with seasonal income"

@Ferrous it is about the fact that stereotype "Russians love alcohol" is wrong, not only "just about 2020".

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4287330

If you insist that consumption patterns in recent decades are different from time in the game, this paper refutes that.

Many people can't even believe that I'm just against something that ignores the facts and can only use borderline personal insults against something that goes against their stereotypes.

Why are slavaboos burt hurt in the comment ? Stop your P.C bullsh..t go back to reddit coping ans seething

Great mod!

this lfcxy guy is the biggest yapper ever bro who asked jit to speak 🤣🤣🤣

speak only when spoken to next time lil bro 🤣🤣🤣

based and swaggothpilled

I see my comment was deleted. So i am once again reminding you. Go back to reddit. @Ifcxy

@lfcxy I mean, all of the countries you mentioned are literally countries that are well known for alcoholism.

It's also a meme mod. Relax.

@Ifcxy cope, seethe, mald

@lfcxy
I understand your concerns, and have read the data you have provided.
However, having a mod about the world near the year 2020 is slightly outside the scope of this mod. I will add the "2020" mod idea to the pile. Thank you.

alcohol production was always a state monopoly, they licensed it out for literal exploitative reasons

actually so mad over a vic3 meme mod lule

jaja "go back to reddit" so based

This mod has a "historical" label.

If it's more "interesting" to conform to people's prejudices, then the Russian-speaking user is correct. For many Russians, the mod that everyone west of Russia is a Nazi might also be interesting.

It's not good to point out that all Europeans are Nazis is Russian propaganda while retaining stereotypes that also fall into the realm of propaganda, including your inexplicable impression of faggot and reddit (because I don't belong to either of them).

Of course, I'd suggest characterizing the top half of this list as wine- or spirits-obsessed to make this mod factually accurate.

@DerRitter Even I was shocked by the data, as I initially expected Russians to consume at least as much alcohol as Europeans, though not as much as the stereotype suggests.

The truth is that Western Europe, North America, Japan, South Korea and many Eastern European countries all consume more alcohol than Russians.

The lesson is: don't rely on feelings and common sense, stories and stereotypes are not to be trusted, but go by the data.

@EinZwei He means that stereotypes are unreliable. The fact that many Russians drink heavily cannot be used to claim that all Russians drink heavily, just as the fact that many Europeans are fascists cannot be used to say that all Europeans are fascists.

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/alcohol-consumption-per-capita/country-comparison/

As we can see, France's per capita alcohol intake is 11.44L of pure alcohol per person, which is 1.57 times higher than Russia's 7.29L of pure alcohol (56th out of 189 countries) per person, and even the Brits' per capita alcohol intake (9.8L) and Japan's (8.36L) are higher than Russia's.

Considering the source of the data is the CIA, we don't have to worry about its pro-Russian nationalist bias, apparently.

Add this for the Scandinavians as well. Oh, and the Finnish. Especially the Finnish.

Subscribed, endorsed, favoured and cherished.

Fetal Alcohol Syndrome, can we get that in too please?