@Dash
That's partially why I didn't wanna fix it, as it was honestly really funny when it did happen haha

Nooo one of my funniest clips is snatching the kart from under my friend while she was driving it T-T

If I get a golden mushroom in Abyss Endless when I'm using the rune that makes powerups last forever, trying to get another item just makes me use the golden mushroom again even if I hold the button so I'm just stuck with the golden mushroom forever but every time I use it, she pulls it out again so it's very slow.

she could possibly have a storage mechanic like 3d world

i wonder are u gonna make peach or are you planning to make peach???

so i noticed if a op character is in play shell be bigger

@TwilightNK
All 3 Toads have a screenshot (which can be seen on their pages) that shows all of their NSpecial things! Although there isn't a comprehensive list that also describes their effects, so I could consider maybe adding that.

Is there a list of items and effects for Toadette and Toadsworth?

@D YellowMadness
Yeah I double-checked the text it generally looks for, and scp-173 shouldn't trigger at all unless there's something weird on that characters end somehow. So no idea lol
As for abyss, that's definitely weird too. There shouldn't be any issues, but she was never tested or designed for that mode so I'm gonna assume there's just something weird with abyss mostly

And yeah not a bad rune idea, just an extensive one lol
She's probably a bit more likely to get a few more items that were planned (but never made it) if a bigger update comes, but no guarantees haha

Good to know. And that's weird that it triggers in a case where it's not meant to. Having an unrelated problem though. In Abyss Endless, if I have her rune on & I use a super mushroom, nothing happens at first but when it wears off, I get an endless very loud stack of shrinking sounds.

If you're ever planning on giving her more runes, a fun one would be one that lets you pick items on command but either the star is excluded from the list for obvious reasons or each item has a cooldown so you can't use the same item multiple times in rapid succession.

@D YellowMadness
Toadette does have anti-cheapie, although not sure why it would trigger against SCP-173? It definitely shouldn't, lol

As for disabling it, if you hold attack immediately then it wont activate! Every character we have that has anti-cheapie should have this feature, so if it ever gets in the way then you have that option, haha.

Regardless, I managed to win even though being giant actually made it harder.

For some reason, I'm giant when I fight SCP-173. Is it an anti-cheapie feature? Is there a way to disable it?

@D YellowMadness
Yeah both are there for a reason, though I can see why you'd wanna hop out of Kart and fast fall through it.
And I've definitely hit that DSpecial issue before where grabbing it can be difficult, haha. In fact there already is stuff in place for that, but it's just not strong enough currently I think.

Either way I think I can hit a sort of sweetspot on both, so you can see how it feels in the upcoming patch (which is releasing in a moment)!

Two things that might help are making it not trigger if you're pushing the special button at the time & making it not trigger if you just got out of the kart a split second ago. Because the situations in which I keep accidentally triggering it are when I'm either trying to get out & do a fast fall or when I'm trying to pick it up.

But I guess I do see how being able to fast fall from a greater height & get in without pushing side special could be convenient.

@D YellowMadness
For the former, holding down is meant to let you get in easily, so I'm not sure. Maybe it could be made less sensitive somehow, but not sure, haha.

For the latter, it should be easily fixable as it's due to the vehicles looking for a hold input rather than a press. I can't remember if it's a hold input for a reason though, so changing it could maybe cause some kind of issue... But it doesn't sound too likely, so I can probably change that without any real downside.
It'd still require patching every character that has a vehicle so far though (mainly the toads and Dan iirc), but still!

Can you make it so tilting the stick down doesn't put you in the kart & holding the special button too long when getting into the kart doesn't make you get out of the kart? I can't think of a reason for either of those things to happen.

It's for a Break the Targets run. I'd been struggling to find a strategy that would manipulate the RNG into giving me it more often & then right after reading your comment, I accidentally used neutral special at the wrong moment & got it with perfect timing by mistake. Saved me an assload of time.

@D YellowMadness
Not too rare, but it's one of the more uncommon items! So it probably depends a bit on what you have in mind, haha

What are the odds of getting a mega mushroom? I have some ideas that require it but I don't wanna grind for it if it's too rare.

You should probably nerf some of these characters especially with their ends and startups. they all seem to end/startup lagless which makes fighting against them not fun. Not to mention pretty spammy. Toadette's kart respawn timer should be on par with wario's in smash ultimate or this version of wario. either way, please get a nerf soon as well as some of your other characters like morshu, toad, toadsworth and toon link.

@Kazzie
Glad you like them, haha! Be sure to leave a like on them and check out the rest of the roster too, if you haven't yet!

I hate all of these characters.

I can't decide which one is my favorite, and they're all too fun to play just one at a time.

10/10 keep fueling my addiction.

@crispydonut76 No problem, you're welcome if you feel like it, haha. And thank you!

Alrighty, I'll consider it. In any case, keep doing your thing man :)

@crispydonut76 Ah yeah its for developers! So I'm not sure how often you'd see it, but our own roster will at least be compatible haha.

Also the main one can be found within the workshop one easily if you'd like, it's just mainly the workshop server that's hosted here!

Oh I see! So the creator of a given workshop character would need to add it to their character file to make them compatible. I thought it was something I needed to do, oops.

I can see the link to the Workshop Discord, but what about the main one?

@crispydonut76 Ah! Well, the creator of the character would have to add that to the characters init.gml file, basically.

And no you don't have to be a gamedev at all! We have two small community servers, a main one and one focused on workshop, but you're welcome in either one or both haha.

In the notes it said that I should add 'toad_mushrooms_works' to make it happen, but I don't know where. Is there perhaps a folder made on your PC for the workshop characters where you have to make this change?

Also, yeah it's understandable if you wouldn't want to make those two changes. You must've already been careful enough with the N-special tap/hold window as is, and as much as I would like Up-special hits to be a true combo, it's probably for the best that it isn't, especially since you can cancel it after hitting your opponent. So you could Up-air -> Up-B -> Up-air, carrying your opponent all the way to the top of the screen before killing them with Up-air.

Lastly, if I were to be interested in the Discord, I don't need to be a game dev or anything, right? I am afraid I have no experience with that at all 😅

@crispydonut76 Well other characters can basically steal items by touching them, which applies to mushrooms, star, leaf, etc. By default only star and 1-up has effect, while size mushrooms only work for compatible characters. If you're asking how to implement it then there's the guide, but I can help if there's anything specific you need.

As for the rest though, the nspec tap/hold thing I'll likely keep as is since I don't wanna slow down the move, but it's a tough balance between frame data, reaction time, and the buffer, especially when online and in lag and stuff lol. And for uspec we think its at a decent balance as uair -> upb is possible on wrong DI, but not too reliable to feel cheesy either etc.

And haha no problem, if you do decide to check it out I hope you enjoy it! We've got a discord with a small community and such too for this stuff lol. Happy to hear it caught your attention though!

I would like to ask how exactly you can make other characters pick up items from the Toads. I saw in your notes that there might be some way to do it but I don't know how. When it comes to any potential improvements, maybe increase the window where tapping special briefly uses power-ups? I have some moments where I feel I press special very briefly to use a power-up but I still make another item box/block. Maybe also make it harder for the opponent to DI out of Up-special but it's fine if you're not interested in doing that or if it's intentional.

Also wow, I feel so silly that I didn't realize that you already had a game on Steam! I see now where some of your Rivals stages come from and I might interested to actually play it!

@crispydonut76 Yeah it's a common thing unfortunately, just in general but also with my roster, haha. So I'm sorry you gotta deal with those kinds of people for playing as my characters (even if you'd likely meet a few regardless of who you play). Not to say my roster isn't powerful of course, it is, but cheapies they aren't, lol.
Anyway, best advice I can give is ignore those people and play whoever you'd like!

And thank you! There's gonna be at least one more character fairly soon, and some more later in 2024... Plus a new update for my game (Super Gear Quest), and hopefully some other stuff this year too. So lots to look forward to!

In any case, it's all very interesting to learn about! My apologies for getting the wrong impression of how you design your characters. It's just that I've run into people calling me "cheap" for maining some of the characters you have made, even though in reality they probably should've learn the match-ups more instead of immediately drawing conclusions. I look forward to what you'll make next, both inside and outside of Rivals.

@poloswagger552 Happy to hear you enjoy her, always great to hear, main or not. But maining is extra cool, haha!
She's legal (along with the rest of the roster) in our own chill little tourney as well, if that interests you!

Also, for future plans I may shift a bit back towards my games this year (I'm a game developer mainly), but I still intend to make more characters this year and into the future. Currently I was finishing up another full character commission as well, which was progressing fast while the Toad pack was coming out, so you might see that soon!
No date on that yet though, but progress can be followed in our Discord and such! My guess would be February/March.

I just did my first Zero to death with Toadette and im determined to main her completely. When do you plan in revealing your next character? (if you had to gave a specific month)

@Marie
Thank you, haha! Glad you like the character! Remember to leave a vote so more people can check her out, if you haven't already!

@crispydonut76
Basically yeah, we just kinda do our own thing!
I wouldn't say we necessarily deviate away from things, although there are some Rivals things we disagree with (Jabs often not being true for example, or recoveries being limited by hard pratfall with high pratland when just high endlag does the job, etc). The approach is overall unique on workshop, but I'm not quite sure how I'd describe it beyond this.

i love this character so much!!!!!! she's so fun and feels really well balanced!! great job!

So if I understand correctly, you don't have the specific intention of designing overpowered characters, but characters that have good fundamentals, many interesting options to choose from, and are just fun to play? You also balance them with the other characters in your rooster in mind, as in they are all capable of winning against each other?

Aside from that, I want to ask which balancing philosophy are you slightly deviating from; what about your way of balancing characters makes it unique compared to others?

@MuscleMan (REAL) He sort of is! I'd recommend checking out the full trailer if you haven't, it's attached to both Toad and Toadette but you can also find it here: https://youtu.be/aprKc4PAflw?si=-WjRZoLoD4nFLaRr

is toadsworth gonna be based on mario party?

@crispydonut76 Not at all! We do have a slightly different balance philosophy, such as no pratfall, many options, a lot of depth, and good kill options across the board (rather than relying on specific ones), etc. Other than that we just balance mostly to our own thing (King of Blobs, our own roster) and do what we think is fun!

Aside from all, I think people just perceive the characters as stronger than they are? Maybe due to not expecting a unique balance approach, not as much exp with the game, etc. And my reputation as a creator, when you got those for 26+ characters by now haha!

Still, really glad you like the characters! Remember to leave a like if you didn't already as it really helps, and let me know if there's anything else as I'm happy to answer questions!

I am curious to ask: do you make characters with the intention of them being overpowered? Not that it is a bad thing, but I wonder since a lot of your characters certainly are very strong, and have some very busted tools at their disposal. I was even able to do some pretty nutty stuff with Toad and Toadette so far. In any case, keep up the good work! I always enjoy the stuff you make :)

Glad you guys enjoy her, haha! Be sure to leave a vote if you haven’t already!
Toadsworth also drops tomorrow haha!

One of my most wanted characters made by exactly the person I would've wanted to make her? Neat.

felixblobdev will go silent for months and then come back with absolute heat
hoping the next ytp character is cd-i link or the king

i love the muchroom (but female)

@welovehomeschool After Toadsworth and Delfino Plaza tomorrow... Then that's it for the Toad pack, but there's a character coming up sometime behind them!

what's left after toadsworth