Do you have a real English equivalent? Tired of seeing "Prairie" everywhere. Also, "Glacier" would be more appropriate instead of "Ice Sheet", no?

Terrain names "corrected"
Snow = Ice Sheet
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2) Regarding Snow, how about "Glacier" instead? It seems more precise since Ice Sheet is meant to describe a particularly large area of glacial ice (several contiguous Snow tiles in-game).

3) Is there a reason you went with Prairie instead of Savanna? I read through the comments and saw several mentions of savanna, but I did not see any discussion of why you chose prairie instead.

Savanna seems a more universal term as it is used to describe biomes in Africa, North & South America, Australia and Europe whereas prairie is largely a North American specific term.

I like the idea of this mod. Here are a few thoughts...

1) I agree "Jungle" is negative and misleading (it would work better if Jungle tiles only appeared at the edges of Forests and along Rivers). But the current mechanics for Jungles in game don't seem to apply very well to the idea of Rainforests:

In game, Jungles are devoid of production, take a long time to clear, and yield no hammers upon clearing - presumably to represent the difficulty and counter-productivity of trying to traverse the dense vegetation of real world "jungles".

But beyond its jungle barrier, a real world rainforest has no such limitation - and humans have engaged in productive logging of rainforest lumber just like any other forest. Perhaps adding a hammer yield when chopping Rainforests could help with immersion here? (but maybe it would affect game balance too much).

@Nikole This was touched on in previous posts here.

I like it more specific, Though I never had a problem with the Jungle/Rainforest swap. Thanks anyway.

nice job, i too was annoyed with the biome names. this gives me a satisfied feeling now :)

Righty then.

@Epik No, as there wouldn't be the North American term "prairie". This is for realism and accuracy.

Is this for British English?

Version 2 is out! Abandoned the whole Shallows/Depths nomenclature.

Not that it matters but I like the word Savannah. It is sylibant and smooth off the tongue. Prairie to me is an ugly word for an ugly region of America. African Savannahs are far more restful to the eyes and comfortable as well as being more interesting and active. I would use Savannah myself. It is too bad there isn't an all inclusive word other than semi-arid grassland.

@Well do what you want it is your mod.

@Dr. Strangelove I read all of the comments, including your last. I just didn't agree is all. Take it in stride.

@TofuSojo You seem to have missed my point and only read the wiki.

@Dr.Strangelove After reading the wiki entry on Drylands, I don't believe that they refer to what Plains represent in Civ 5, which is Prairies, Savannahs, and Steppes, all of which are grasslands, just drier than the rainier grasslands which are represented as Grasslands in game. The wiki even goes so far to say that two of the four levels of drylands may be deserts. So I'll stick to Prairie for now, which does accurately describe the biome, I just don't care for how region specific it is (to North America, that is). Thanks for the suggestion though.

@TofuSojo While it does refer to land that is dried up and is allmost desert it also refers to land that is drier due to less water hence the yellow textured plains appear to be ingame.

Praire, Steppe, and Savanah are all drier than grasslands but are not desert and honestly it is the most non-specific phrase you could use.

I have no clue where you get that drylands are only desert, perhaps this picture?


https://conservationatwork.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/dryland.jpg


Also when I think for drylands I think more or less of one of these places.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Savannah_near_Kuruman.JPG

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Llano_Estacado_Caprock_Escarpment_south_of_Ralls_TX_2009.jpg

http://www.bluepeak.net/mongolia/assets/photos/steppe-tuv.jpg

Also here is the wikipedia article on drylands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drylands

@Dr.Strangelove For Plains? That makes me think of deserts

@TofuSojo Has no one suggested Drylands yet?

What do you think of tableland? I think it is generic enough to cover all areas of this type. Sounds kind of weird until you get used to it, but I think its accuracy makes up for that.

@bugge As the earlier comments show, I agree, but no one has suggested anything better. Steppe is equally too regionally specific. The most accurate would be Dry Grasslands, but that sounds terrible.

Good ideas! There is only one thing a disagree with. Prairie is unfortunately too specific and is confined to North America. That's enough to break the immersion for me.

its ok, looking back at it, my question is poorly worded, and in the end its your mod and you do what you want with it

@PhatPhuck007 Ah, sorry for misunderstanding and I think that could be done, but I personally think that is going too far with it, lol. Some consider "jungle" to be a word without any real meaning or even archaic/offensive (e.g. the connection between "wild dense jungles" and the "primitives" who live in them). In any case, it would be the opposite, all current Jungle Tiles should be called Rainforest and only the ones along rivers still Jungle :P.

what i mean is, the jungle tile "design" next to river would be called rainforest, and the restwould just be jungle, but thanks for answering my question and have a nice day @TofuSojo

@PhatPhuck007 If you google a biome map of the Earth, you'll see that both temperate and tropical rainforests cover large chunks of land, even continents (much of Washington State is a temperate rainforest biome, for example -- and obviously the Amazon). It is true however that the term "jungle" was originally used to describe the dense and uninviting foliage along river banks, so if you are only talking about such a location, then "jungle" may be accurate. The Jungle Tile in all Civ games though has never been used to only refer to the edges of rivers in tropical rainforests though, hence why it is misleading :).

shouldnt rainforest only be the "jungle" tiles next to river, cause most of earths rainforest are along some sort of river, if im correct, i may be wrong, but its just a suggestion

@Mundi ex Mentis Very interesting idea and well thought out, but it should be its own mod. The term chaparral is just too regional and technical for this one. I agree it has bugged me slightly that hills give no food, but it is a needed game mechanic. If tiles started with 3 yields instaed of 2 (3 f grasslands, 2 f 1 p plains, etc) then grassland hills could be 2 f 1 p and plains hills 1 f 2 p, etc. But that would require rebalances of a great many things :). Perhaps a future mod its own...maybe. I encourage you to learn to mod though. I'm a beginner myself :). I just did my first bit of lua coding yesterday and haven't touched sql modding yet.

(part 3)
The only reason i haven't made this mod myself is because i suck at modding. I'm not interested in getting paid or even getting credit for the idea; i only want this mod to exist so that i can use it. Whoever does all the work of making it deserves to take the credit. Having said that, (on second thought) it would be nice if whoever makes this puts my name somewhere that says it was my idea.

(part 2)
...Chaparral would be a special terrain type that ONLY exists ON HILLS and could even have an improvement called the "ranch" that can be built by any civ but can only be built on Chaparral. This terrain without the ranch would yield 1 food and 1 prod, but with ranch it would yield 2 each of food, prod, and commerce. The tech that would unlock the ranch would be Horseback Riding. For the art, i would make Chaparral look like a desert-plains hybrid with fine green dots randomly scattered across it, and the ranch would look like 1/3 of a sheep pasture, 1/3 of a horse pasture, and 1/3 of a cattle pasture combined together with one of each of those animals in it. Also, the same mod should fix grassy hills so that they yield 2 food without forest in their original state (no improvements); then if you put a mine on it, the mine takes 1 food away but adds 2 prod.

I'd like to suggest adding a terrain type/feature called Chaparral, which is more arid than what the game designers would call "plains" but has just enough moisture and plant life to not technically qualify as desert, and is (as far as i know) always in higher elevations like what they would call "hills". One thing that has always bugged me about "hills" is that they all provide no food and some production regardless of what color or climate they're in (ie: snow hills, tundra hills, desert hills, plains hills, or grassland hills; all have the same base yield). What's the point of the hills being different colors and having different names if they're all the same? They might as well have just made hills be its own separate terrain type like it was in older Civ games! [end rant] So, anyway... (continued in part 2)

This is really more for people with ocd. I for one can just ignore the inaccuracies of the names, but still this is a good mod. :)

@The Chief Yeah, I basically said that in original post. The whole point was to get feedback. I have already updated it, "polar desert" and "scrubland" are gone :).

It's just that those "Scientific" names sound so stupid.

Well, there would still be the general names. They'd still all have the same functions, just different names. :D

cont'

It is because of these inconsistencies that I renamed the Plains tile. By the way, the Great Plains in real life are characterized as consisting of the steppe, prairie, and grassland biomes; it's diverse. I'm leaning towards renaming it Prairie, as Steppe contours the Mongolian Steppes too much for me. Though not perfect, it is better than Shrubland.

@The Chief Ignoring your Brit-smashing (I'm American actually and scrubland is one of the terms used by scientists; it is definitely not limited to Brits, but even then it's only used in technical circles. But perhaps that's exactly why I shouldn't use it; It's too technical and, besides, it really is a plant community, not a biome.

If you mean you live in the American Great Plains region, the Great Plains is an example of actual plains (flatlands), but that describes its topography (which is also found in very different regions around the world, Antartica has its own large plains), not its biome. The point of my mod is to rename the tiles as biomes, where possible. In Civ 5, featureless Snow, Tundra, Desert, and Grassland tiles are also examples of plains.

@electronic Thanks for ideas. I'm not sure if that can be done for the different continent types. If it can it would probably require more modding skills than I have. Also, I think that would be confusing for building improvements. Like, would a farm need to say that it can be built on the dozen different kinds of new terrain names which are really just the normal four?

Actually now that I see the names youp changed. They are just some brit garbage english. It sounds so dumb if you actually read it aloud.

I live in the Plains. I have never heard of the word Shrublands. Probably just some stupid british english word.

Deep Ocean, Sea Ice should be ice, and Snow should just be Ice. :)
I like the mod and what you're trying to do. I'd like to see this hopefully expanded on in the future, perhaps changing the terrain name by continent type (IE Chapparal for America-type, Scrublands for Africa-type, etc.)

Constructive critism was requested in my original post. I want to know which ones you all do not like and why, but more importantly which of the alternatives options I gave you prefer.

@The Chief I assume you haven't heard the term shrublands before? It's one of many real life terms for drier grasslands. As the name suggests they are dominated by shrubs, bushes, instead of lush tall grasses, etc. Both have a smattering of trees but Civ has never shown them and that is fine.

@TheM3G4B1T3 I agree, which alternatives do you prefer though or do you have a new suggestion? I'm leaning towards Ice Sheet for Snow, but what to call Ice then? I may just have to call it Sea Ice.

Polar Deserts? And Shallows? That just sounds real bad i clicked on this mod cause i tought that it added new biomes.

Shrublands what the fuck?

@Christo Oh, whoops. I misread his post. Yes it is scrubland, but when I write that in the main post it censors the "scrub" part for some insane reason. I had to think about it to figure out how it could possibly be offensive to Steam, then I recalled the 90's TLC song I Don't Want No Scrub...that was when I learned that meaning of the word and I have never heard it used thus since.

@TofuSojo I think Charles was refering to the term plains were originally renamed. The only other synonym for shrubland I can think of is scrubland, which is hardly offensive.

I like the linguistic flavor. Awesome. I'm a linguist, and I approve of this message.

@Charles Dewitt My post says they are renamed Plains :). Which just means any flat open area, Antartica and the Sahara are full of plains...

Does anyone like any of the alternatives better?

zarckham4269 you dont chop down forsts till bronze working, not construction. second burning down a forest would be %5 succseful, becasue most seeds from trees can stand high temperatures like that. then the nutrients from the dead trees actually help the saplings.

might I ask what on Earth shrublands was before you renamed it? I can't think of any potential canidates....