@Guineatown20806 Good to hear, and thx for getting back to me on that :)

Issue is fixed now. I changed some percepts of my ideoligion regenerating it in the process and now the Theory window appears as it should. I am guessing this is because I added the mod midgame.

Maybe something didn't update correctl. I believe that might be it.

You don't need the Log publisher its just often the other don't work and this do.

But have still not found a problem so to be fair i don't think its the mod it self, but maybe a conflict with another mod you have. Or old files not being updated.

Ok for whatever reason Steam is blocking the Mediafire link. Is there any other way I could send you the hugslog txt file?

1. Gameversion is 1.6.4518 rev84
2. Yes, of course
3. I did exacly that.

Do I need the Log publisher if I have Hugslib or not?

@Guineatown20806 Just tested again, and cannot replicate the error.

1: What version of the game do you have?
2: You have Ideology DLC active?
3: Have you un-sub and re-sub to Custom Ritual Framework?

Here are a link to the log Publisher if you don't have that.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2873415404

Sadly same error with the same problem. Here is the full error: https://pastebin.com/fTADGY12

Starting Up Rimworld with the Update. I will let you know if it is fixed or not

@Guineatown20806

Should be updated now. Try un-sub and re-sub the mod.
And let me know if it was fixed :)

Okay, i Know "Custom Ritual FrameWork has just updated to 1,6 maybe they changed something. i need to have a look for that.

The error goes further saying something about Harmony but due to Comment size limitation... Yeah...

Hi, for some reason I can't make Theory Papers. The reason is that the UI of the Ritual for it is broken. I can't start it. It gives me this error: Exception filling window for RimWorld.Dialog_BeginRitual: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[Ref D056D6CD]
at RimWorld.Dialog_BeginRitual.PredictedQuality (System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T] expectedOutcomeEffects) [0x00000] in <fcfab19af5d14a608a65ebd77f29482f>:0
at RimWorld.Dialog_BeginRitual.get_ExtraExplanationLabel () [0x00016] in <fcfab19af5d14a608a65ebd77f29482f>:0
at RimWorld.Dialog_BeginLordJob.DoDescription (Verse.RectDivider& layout) [0x000ae] in <fcfab19af5d14a608a65ebd77f29482f>:0
at RimWorld.Dialog_BeginLordJob.DoWindowContents (UnityEngine.Rect inRect) [0x00052] in <fcfab19af5d14a608a65ebd77f29482f>:0
at Verse.Window.InnerWindowOnGUI (System.Int32 x) [0x001d3] in <fcfab19af5d14a608a65ebd77f29482f>:0

Yah, cannot test it for errors before they update. but i know they are working on it :)

suppose we'll have to wait for Custom Ritual Framework to update to 1.6 too (mod author mentioned they will soon)

Updatet the mod to 1.6
Let me know if there are any problems.

@Twilight Yah, the mod is not ment to make it all way harder, just add a bit more flaver and a few more active steps so its not just select a research and forget. :)

But there are some one who made a patch mod to make it harder and remove the trade part. search for that :)

Does the mod intentionally add papers\data to trader\town inventories? The loop is interesting and effectively slows research progress a bit (more effort to progress) but it seemed that the consumables where so prevalent to buy and were mostly pretty inexpensive it was too easy to acquire all the consumables via trade.

@Sweet Suicide It don't use same requirements for better chace as other rituals. check the discription.

99% и все провальные. Может есть где подкрутить этот шанс на успех, ибо провожу обычные ритуалы с шансом в 70% и часто успех а тут из 10и раз только 2 раза получила материал

@Darian Stephens Yah that would also make it so it can spawn outside the room as its not part of it. I have tried posting it to The dev of the Ritual frame work.
If you would post it in there i hope that it would help :)

The lab has plenty of walking space.
Maybe it's because I've got the research bench embedded in a wall, so only the front section is accessible?

@Darian Stephens its not normal, but see it happen for a few people.
Think it only happens if the research room isvery small. Its a bug from the Ritual framework.

Is it normal that research data and the like are spawning at seemingly random distances from the research bench the ritual was run on?
I've had them spawn in people's bedrooms after a theory, completely disconnected from the laboratory.

"Also if the theory research fails you gain NO theory papers/data and can end up not being able to do research until the next day as you leaking theories."

Should be "as you're lacking theories."

I build my research room inside mountain, and it's considered as very spacious with a lot of unused space, still somehow got it spawn outside of my base (which is like, 150~200 tiles away). Anyway, thx for the reply, I will wait for Custom Ritual Framework to fix it on their end : )

@skycrossercat Yah others have had problems with if the research room was too small so there were no place they could spawn. But then they only spawned outside the room.
Not much i can do at the moment, its a problem with the Custom Ritual Framework.

I have asked them for a fix. but nothing yet, so if you can post it there it would be good :)

for some reason my theory data would teleport to random corner of the map after my pawn finish the theory research, is there a requirement for them to drop nearby (like enough space or smth)?

log: https://pastebin.com/irXxYXkb

@Yoann cool :)
Have linked to it in the discription.

In the end, the patch: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3344391771

Haha :) A lot of changes, but i think a more hardcore patch would be good.
I think base mods should be more balanced toward vanilla game, but hard pateches or settings is a good ide for people who want it more hard :)

On main mod I already changed the skill needed for sample, removed shematic and archotec analyzer. On this one I also removed the increase research hediff.
I will try with different ritual outcome (terrible, fail, success, outstanding).
2: and 4: is not the way I like it, the sample and research data is already a skill check for me, make it slow to make it slow is not interesting.

The issue I have about make a patch to share, is overpatch your patches (about trade and archotec analyzer), a bit lazy for now. I try on my side, and if I find a good balance I will eventually share it.

@Yoann Make a hardcore patch :)

1: Lower the change of success on the rituals, so its like only 50% or something that you get theory papers.
2: On the main Research Data mod, up how much data they use,
3: Make so if theort fails it lower research speed for a day or something.
4: Make it take longer to craft papers and data nd require more resources.

Maybe an hediff to disallow the research for 1 day when the theory is failed?

I did a lazy patch, by editing a local version, so I have nothing easy to share.
I copied the advanced ritual into the basic one: assistant added, and intellectual skill scale to 20. My researcher got ~50% chance instead of ~80%.
But it's still not enough, Idk how to balance it for some struggle without stuck the research for no reason.

Can you release your patched version as an add-on or something? Research in this game is waaaaay too easy and quick. I want technological progress to feel like a long story. As it stands i Have a bunch of mods to make research slow as possible, and even then, even with just one researcher, it still seems too fast.

Ok thank you, I forgot about the analyzer data.
So I will patch it to add more struggle.

@Yoann the ide was that in the lower tech it was not a problem unless as you say forget it or your pawns dies etc. If i should lower the chance of getting them i would only lower it a bit.

With the data you need it for both research and analyzer data and if you have more pawns doing research and if you forget it etc. its a bit harder to keep up, but if you manage it well it should not be a problem.

its not ment to be a permanent struggle but something manageble if you do it right and remeber it :)

You "can end up not being able to do research until the next day as you leaking theories."

I'm playing since some days with this mod, only with research papers for now (as I start tribal), and I can't see how I could lack of theory papers (without forgetting to do the ritual).
Unless having pawn doing only research all days AND very bad luck (or several researchers), theory papers seems to be infinite ressource (I sometime skip ritual on purpose).
I even patched the mod to remove the papers from trader/reward, and make the multiple gain rarer.

It's not balanced for my gameplay? (few pawns)
Will it be more interesting for advanced theory research?

@Yann that's actually pretty realistic. (I should know).

Although, it doesn't help me interact with people, only know how to interact in theory... so he is learning the theory of social interactions!

also, could you make it so that the ritual is "optional"? basically, the ritual can boost the research from your other mod. Or be used to make the reaserach papers which help ?"

Yes, my researcher talking alone in front of his bench improve his social skill ^^'

@Yoann do you gain social skills?

Cannot change the problem ODevil have at the moment as it require the ritual framework to be updated :)

Did you try to remove the gain of social skill?

Also got the same issue than ODevil, in a room not so small (3x8 half empty).

Very tight, made use of all the space basically xD

Ok. It was in a very small room? :)

I think I figured it, issue was sort of self-inflicted. If the research table has no adjacent free space the result gets placed somewhere else, sometimes just behind the next wall and sometimes somewhere completely random...

@ODevil Plz let me know, they code that let me spawn items from Ritual is from the "Custom Ritual Framework" so if its a constant problem they need to fix it.

It appears that doing the Theory Research underneath an overhead mountain causes the results to randomly spawn outside.
Need to test it futher in case it's a compatibility issue with other mods tho.

Thx will take a look at it when i get the time :)

The mod option is not hard to add, you can look this mod to see how to do: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005293231