@Pulaaaa - Done. I can't limit the kilns to only be made on roofs, unless I was to do something silly like give it a huge collision box that clipped into the ceiling.
I'm not responsible if your house burns down :)

Hey @Lyкiяe can you make the charcoal kiln buildable inside a house or atlieast in rooftops? Some research needs charcoal as material and im playing as a Town dweller/trader and im essentially gimped on the research side. Thanks!

I did redo the descriptions of the research, some items and buildings, and also labelled them I - VI
It should be fairly straight-forward in-game as to what you need to keep advancing technologically.
As for someone else making any documentation about this, I wouldn't know 😅

Great mod! Does somebody have a progression tree avaible for this mod?

Being able to craft Building Mats should be available from the start. I'll chuck in some duplicate unlocks in the early researches and hopefully that will help your issue without causing any other problems

BTW imported each time as well.

Hey m8 still having issues. I guess my question is.. what research gives the opportunity to construct the station for building mats. I researched metalurgy 1 which in the description opens reinery 1, storage copper/iron plates, building mats, copper/iron ore stone and something else thats cut off by the box. When I build refinery 1 I can only select copper plates. I'm sure your right about mod conflict... I axed almost everything I can think of besides Kaizo,living/reactive worl and nothing seems to change. Just let me know if Buildings mats should be available after metalurgy1/refinery1...thanks!

@Lyкiяe Selected only this mod w/import and rebuilt refinery.. unable to construct building mats with refinery or workbench. Next plan is unsub from all mods/reinstall Kenshi and see what happens lol.

@Lyкiяe I cannot use the regular workbench for building mats. I'm going through mods today to see if I can find the issue. Thanks and cheers!

@Lyкiяe Appreciate it!

It's feasible, I had a mod that had an item furnace that made iron plates. Problem is, I could not figure out how to expand the item furnace's inventory so I could melt all the garbage loot enemies leave on their corpses in one go. Shame there's no way to make characters auto loot weapons and armor.

@Greg - Thanks for reporting it, I did forget to change the new functionality I copied to produce carbon, it's been updated and fixed
Charcoal kilns are a tech 1, very early research, and they're located in the POWER section for building, for future reference.

@Groovy - I don't recall implementing anything that directly turns stone to carbon, although anything that 'mines' carbon does use the Stone map resource because carbon didn't get implemented in the final cut.
I think I will stick in unlocking building material crafting in a couple extra spots, I did originally put it in the various game start researches, but you may have another mod that conflicts with that, possibly causing you to not be able to craft building materials? Are you able to make them at the generic Workbench?

@Ibram - Raw Iron is the same as Iron Ore, I simply renamed it. The Item Furnace has always been Iron Ore/Raw Iron, that's vanilla functionality and hasn't changed.
I did at one point float the idea of having multiple different grades of raw materials/ores, but the amount of effort to do that, and each type requiring a unique refinery makes it more trouble than it's worth. I'm also fine with it being reduced to raw/ore due to being melted with a bunch of other stuff and having impurities brought back into the resulting pile. Although it might be a new research I could stick in that upgrades it to produce plates instead? I haven't looked too closely into it yet to see if it's feasible.

@Geg there is a refinery that turns stone to carbon, not sure exactly how it was researched... but if you have carbon drill ( I don't) then you probably already have it unlocked.

I encountered a bug where my carbon drills producing iron ore for some reason and I don't think I have a charcol kiln? How do I produce carbon at this point?

The other thing I'd noticed, is why does the item furnace melt stuff down to ore? Is Raw Iron ore or is it scrap Iron? Ore is not the bottleneck, Iron plates are. So why can't the furnace smelt stuff to iron plates? By the way, great job!

Your awesome thanks! I've been really just exploring and decided to settle down. I dont have an option in the refinery for building mats. I can do iron/copper plates and steel bars in the queue.
I'll try to research that hybrid mine today and see if that solves my issue. Lol I should have made the bolt bench... thanks again! Yeah...you did some fine work here, I've restarted this game almost 20 times adding different mods because it seemed kinda plain. Your work, that which I've accessed, is top notch!

@Ibram - I've updated the mod now as well - I feel as though I had some reason for doing it that way at the time, but in retrospect I can't recall why

@Groovy - Building materials should be included in the Refinery's crafting pool, unless you mean the stone to building material hybrid mine? I'm not certain what you're referring to, please feel free to share more details either here or by adding me.
For xbows, the Crossbow Parts are made at the Bolts Workbench, but unlocked at Crossbow Crafting II. The tier 2 crossbow turret requires the parts, but also requires t2 crossbows to be researched, so you should be able to make them. Glad you're otherwise enjoying :)

And as for xbows.... lol, i have storage option for xbow parts but can't make them ?yet? I unlocked tire 2 xbow turrets and they need parts to build but so far I can only buy them. I unlocked T1 xbows so I'm assuming the parts will come from the station eventually? I have found them for sale... once. Hoping you might drop a hint, tx.

Hey thanks for making this mod! It definitely makes the building system feel more immersive. I cant seem to find a refinery for building materials. I have tier 3 refinery for the steelbars and a stone to carbon refinery but cant seem to find where the building mats are located/made. I don't think I have conflicting mods... and this one is at the bottom. If ya get a second could you please share the name and category they are in. thanks!

There's a tiny nitpick I fixed myself, Parchment is made from animal skins not from leather.

I hadn't gotten around to testing the oil drills, I had assumed that there was still a Carbon map in the game even if you couldn't prospect for it. Unfortunate, but oh well, it's been moved to Stone.
I also added Carbon Drills alongside the other drills, and fixed the second Oil Drill research (I accidentally put itself as a requirement so it wouldn't show up in the research menu)
I set the production multiplier to half the value of iron mining. If it still feels too slow, I'll bump it up.
Hopefully that should significantly boost the availability of these resources in the mid-late game.

Thanks, but Forgotten Buildings mod now has them. Also, I found a bug with your oil rig, it looks for carbon, not stone. As for a work around the Oil thing, a hybrid rig that makes carbon, and another that makes fuel might be the answer

I'd never thought of machinery making chainmail as something that was particularly feasible, honestly. Turns out there's a guy/channel/shop called TheRingLord who has videos of such a setup doing exactly that. Awesome stuff. Will definitely tweak some things so that the Refinery can make it.
I also added extra hybrid mines the other day thanks to your suggestion, just made the Hybrid Stone Mine research into generic Hybrid Mines and packed them all in there. So if you've already researched that, it'll show up in the build menu retroactively.
As for the Ash Domes, I don't know what kind of trickery other people use to make it so you can build them, but from my initial testing I can get the building to place, but can't get someone to actually do construction on it. Not sure what I'm missing to get that to work, so it'll stay out for the time being.

Upon some tinkering with the mod I can actually make Hybrid mines easily, just take an automated mine, copy it, create a new functionality altered from the old one to change the output from iron ore to iron plates; or copper ore to copper plates, and have the storage be high.

Also I think the way to deal with chainmail is to make it part of the refinery crafting recipes, I mean if we're going from hammering out Armour plating to refining it, shouldn't we be refining chainmail the same way too?

That's actually a brilliant idea, thanks Ibram! I'll take another look at the Ash domes, I've never specifically wanted to build them myself, but if there is a desire for them I can squeeze them in somewhere somehow.

There is one thing i'd like in terms of more advanced tech. Hybrid mines. Basically machines that mine and smelt at the same time, making iron and copper plates for easy refining into advanced materials. Easily done. Also I do like the mod.... Just wish I could add the ability to research ash domes and other buildings to the research tree.

I think it's totally fine if they use more materals or take a bit longer because it's a bit of the players fault if they decide to settle somewhere without any water, and as long as it's a bit faster than the conversion chain it would probably already be enough

I suppose I could add a cactus (and maybe greenfruit) kiln(s) - I'd avoided doing so because of what I imagine their water content to be. If I did add them I might have to make them take more material and be slower than the other kilns. but that's just my autism

My current base is located between the Eye and Heng where I am only really able to grow cactus and desert cinnamon from a food mod. The water availablity is abysmal (which may be my own fault with choosing this place to settle), and cotton has a 0% growth rate due to the arid climate.
I don't know how realistic it is, but I think it would already be a big step to be able to use cactus in the Kiln. This would at least cut the conversion from bio fuel and make it a lot quicker.

Thanks for the feedback Exodus, I appreciate you taking the time to comment out your experience and I'm glad it's been enjoyable

I definitely hadn't intended for steel to be a bottleneck, may be a consequence of settling in the desert unfortunately. Which zone are you based in, what are the grow rates for other crops? I haven't played bases in a lot of areas so my experience with the availability of carbon has been based off being able to grow other crops and mostly using cotton as carbon fodder.
If I recall correctly, I did reduce the amount of steel required to make the mid-tier crossbows, and the general idea was to make them more accessible in the early game through crafting.
I did test out some additional methods for making/getting carbon, but unfortunately due to design limitations they simply don't work.

If you have any ideas that would make carbon more accessible to desert bases, please let me know.

- Carbon has already been brought up, but it's slightly iffy. I have my base in the desert, so I couldn't reliably get it with the charcoal kiln (since I can only really crow cactus). That means ii only got it later on via biofuel conversion, which works, but is slow and increases the working steps required to create steel bars a bit too much for my liking (cactus -> biofuel -> carbon -> refinery).
This also affects crossbow crafting: While you unlock it early on and having the ability to craft bolts is wonderful, you can only really make use of the crossbow crafting bench relatively late and expensively due to the steel bars bottleneck. I don't know if this is intended, because you can theoretically create junkbows from the beginning and without many ressources, I just never bothered to do that.

But overall, I'm really enjoying the mod :)

Some thoughts from a (so far) 80 day playthrough:

- Most changes are amazing. Adding a use for gears and generator cores makes the game much more immersive, and many tech tree changes are also great (for example imprisonment).
- The Workbench as a crafting station is probably my favourite addition: I usually play as a ragtag band of unsavoury individuals where having giant refineries always felt wrong, so having more of a manufacture than a factory feel while crafting is greatly appreciated. I also love the flexibility where in theory you could still have a dedicated plate beating station by only putting plates in the crafting queue, but you could also theoretically create it along with other material on the same bench.

(I have to divide this into multiple parts because the text was too long)

Mentioned in earlier comments, it's less a bug and more an inability to automate a 'crafting' building. It has to be a refinery type, which means it has to be a building per item type and not a multi-purpose building.
I've dragged my heels on it a little because it's an annoying and dumb limitation, but I think I'll implement automatic crafters as well, so you can always choose to keep a single refinery instead of having a whole bunch of them.

I found a bug. Your Refinery 6 isn't actually automated, it still requires an operator.

This mod seems promising, vanilla building is far too simple. There are tons of items in the game yet none of them serve any purpose besides selling.

hooo ok thanks

Mining Equipment boosts the mining speed of resource nodes - ie Stone, Copper, and Iron. It applies to any node you mine on, as they get 'claimed' by your faction. You should notice the efficiency improve in the inspection menu. And thanks!

What does mining equipment do?
Also great mod

Also those extra researches are great because the burning of rice weed and hemp was getting rough lol

If you just make the refinery VI craft time super low that it almost makes it automatic it might work out?

Really makes me wish the FCS was more robust. I've added the Oil Drills in, functionally. What I would have liked to do was make an oil refinery that outputs both carbon and fuel. But no crafting recipe supports outputting multiple items. I also had the idea that maybe the Corpse Furnace could serve as a grim way to make some bonus carbon in the same way the Peeler makes 'animal hide.'
I've added a couple new researches that allow you to turn fuel into carbon, and vice versa. Hopefully that helps fill the gap a little better. I've also added water and power requirements to the BioFuel distilleries, because that is not a dry process, and it's easier with heat than without from my reading. At least that's my take on Kenshi's questionable access to higher key science items like enzymes

Damn, that's rough. But I see your point since everything that is automatic only has 1 type of item output like plants and wells. Honestly, I think the only thing that is important for automation would be the main metals like iron/copper plates, steel bars, spring steel, and alloy plates. I don't think we need to automate things like gears and armor plating. You could even add an additional mine that automatically turns the ores into plates like the stones to building mats. But either way the mod is great even without the automation! My only wish is for another way to get carbon created faster and more efficiently.

Damn, I really thought it would 'just work' - ah well. I wanted to avoid having specialised machinery for every metal, but if we want full automation it's unavoidable, crafting machines simply don't work without an operator.

Possible that the game doesn't support 'crafting' benches being fully automatic the way refineries are, will have to have a closer look.

I can't get the Refinery VI to produce anything.

I've made an effort not to remove or tamper too much with the original buildings for the sake of mod compatibility, or effecting towns and interiors.
You should also be able to craft Armour Plates in the Refinery, provided you have it upgraded and researched.

NVM! I figured it out and its in the workbench mb

Does the mod remove the armor plate beating station?