something seems wrong with "construction spending level". Or I simply dont understand how its supposed to wrok. Goods cost (for all I guess?) shows -162k
I set my spending level t 5% and get -40,9k (number to the right of the % value) which seems to be my actual weekly cost.
But 5% should be just short over 8k per week.
Anyone can tell me what up here?
I am using Exeter and the Exeter patch too, if that matters.

There seems to be some problem with stack overflow. I don't know what's causing it. After a certain point/law change the construction allocation percentage experiences a stack overflow, essentially killing construction sectors. Has anyone experienced anything similar? I have not been able to isolated it.

@Dingbat32 Another very important value for balacning PM (again see Generalist Gamings Spreadsheet [docs.google.com] is the overall net money outpout produced which is Cost of Outputs - Cost of Input.
Depending on wheter you are construction limited (before you run out of peasents/unemployed) or Labor limited the best building to build generally is the one that gives you the highest net value per construction point (efficiency per week construction) or the highest net per 100 worker.
Price Flexibilty determines how big the range of input/output goods prices is the building can operate, while net determines the net value generated.

@KeinNiemand Yeah you're right about price flexibility. I designed construction sectors to be as profitable as tooling workshops at each production method, but construction sectors consume a lot more goods, and they're more likely to be above base price as well. I have realised that this is an issue, and I'll make some price adjustments to construction goods to make this less of a problem. Regarding the ai_value, I can test a higher one in some observer games to see if it makes a difference.

@McMuster
Continuing my last comment:
So making the construction sector PMs more profitable/(inscreasing their price flexibility) would reduce the demand needed to get it profitbale and therefore to get the AI to build it.
I'm not sure you can do that without breaking the balance of construction and making construction generally more/less expensive.



Also have you tried if it helps to just increse the ai_value for construction sectors a whole bunch?

@McMuster
continueing my last commen:
This means if your input goods are expensive (or will be expensive if you add the buy orders from the potential construction sector) you need way more then 50 demand to get it to build,
Like at 50 demand of iron fram construction, building 1 sector would instantly dump the price from +75% to +0% and becouse the construction secotsr aren't very profitable at +0% price they won't build at 50 Demand, they will only build it when the price after adding the full 50 sell orders from the sector is still high enough to be profitable.
Depending on input good prices and how wages you need anywhere between 50 and 100 sell orders (more if you already have supply since you need the high prices)

@McMuster The thing is that Price flexibility (Value of Output/Value of Input) of your construction sector PMs is very low, this that while con secotrs are just barley profitable at 100% input and output good costs as soon as the input good are more expesive or the cost of construction drops they aren't profitable anymore.

Like for Iron Frame the Price Flexibility is 104% this means if the price of inputs is 4% higher then base (and the output stays the same) it will loose money.

Note that this dosn't account for needing to pay wages so the input/output range where construction sectors are actually proftiable is even narrower.

Then you need to consider that the AI will only really likes buildings things that are predicted to be more profitable then anything else it could build.

@McMuster Adding some subsistence construction output might be a good idea, will test it out. However, I found that increasing demand doesn't help much as even with 50+ construction consumed in a state it can be take a while for the first sector to be built.

@KeinNiemand I know this is a problem, but it's not easy to fix, as local goods are hard to get off the ground. Same reason that you often need to manually build a lot of power plants to switch production methods to use electricity. I don't really know a direct fix, as the main problem is the investment score calculation, which is mostly hard-coded except for a few defines.

a couple refinements you could do here is add some TINY construction output from subsistence farms/population to get countries with no sectors off the ground easier, urban centers or each individual urban building could also consume a low baseline of construction so there's always some demand and to "attract" construction sector building to more developed states beyond

The AI seems to not build enough construction sectors becouse they don't seem to be profitable unless the the demand is very high, that's especially true with building the first construction sector, that especially goes for the first construction sector or the first sector in a new state those almost never shop up as profitble => the Ai dosn't build it.

@KeinNiemand Thanks, added to the description

I made my own compatibiltiy Patch for Basileia Romaion 1736 another overhaul, the only change made to construction sectors by that mod is removing the requirment for the urbanisation tech for construction sectors, but it also adds a universal all building troughput modifiers to literacy, which I fixed by overiding it and adding negative troughput modifer from literacy to the construction regulator.


[ https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3531655813 ](Link to the patch). Feel free to either link the patch or make your own.

Thank you so much for the Exether Compatch! Much appreciated!

I just requested a Pull Request in this mod git to add Portuguese(Brazil) translation, also i made every not translated language to be english to stop codes to show inside the game.

How to safely remove this mod from started game?

@Dingbat32 Thanks for making the compatch.
With private construction sectors it would aslo make sense to have a construction sector company or maybe add construction sectors to one or more existing companys (maybe the construction 3 company).

@KeinNiemand I assumed this would be very challenging so I didn't really look into it. Haven't played RoE before either. However, looking into it now and it doesn't seem that complex, yeah. Will release a compatch soon.

@Dingbat32 Sorry that I'm asking for this a second time, would a compatch with a total conversion mod like ROE require any more work then any a compatch with any other mod that changes construction sectores? In theory this mod dosn't change all that many things, so I think all that would be needed would be to add the magic PMs (and any other changes made to construction sectors) to get a functional compat patch.
I interpred the lack of response to my last comment that you won't make a compatch so I might look into making one myself.

@Universal Man Are you using any other mods? To be honest, not sure how this mod could be causing that. Could also be a vanilla bug.

@牛奶大魔王 Thanks! I have added it to the description.

hi i have a problem with mod, so when i click on a province during autosave which is quite often the game crashes

Greetings! What a great mod, I want more Chinese players used it so i have translated it inside V3 Chinese submod mod
Would u include a line in description?

Here is my Chinese localization.
https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2880069248

@Yurcick It would be nice to have more spending options, yes. Maybe a flat budget setting for those who prefer. However, government spending is not set as a percentage of the total construction - it is set as a percentage of your government income like 1b), with the ability to go over that if you want to go into debt, and this limit depending slightly on your economic system. If you hover over the percentage and then the maximum spending number it will show you the calculation.

For the second point, a cheaper construction good will lead to it being cheaper for the government regulator to purchase construction. The scaling is only based on your budget, so the same budget will go further if there is a higher supply of construction. This is especially obvious if you have a construction shortage and then build a lot of sectors, where you will see that spending is still the same but you can have 2 times the construction points.

Hi!
Nice mod, thank you for your work.

Two requests that would make this significantly cooler.
1) (a minor one) right now the government construction allocation is set in terms of overall construction share. It would make more sense if we had at switchable option to have it
1a) the way it is now (construction share, close to vanilla, but variable instead of depending on economic laws)
1b) in terms of governments income share (I want 20% of my weekly income to be spent on construction)
1c) in terms of a specific hard sum (I want 300k weekly to be spent on construction)

2) (a major one) right now the construction is a capacity that is autoscaled with regulators, which are autoscaled with (possibly private) construction goods availability. It'd be really great if we could make construction itself a good, so that when this good is in abundance (much more supply than demand), the construction would become cheaper

@Earl of Pudding @Tetra I've put together an official ComPatch now, so feel free to use that.

@Earl of Pudding Hey this looks good but employment on the regulators needs to be reduced. The other employment numbers can also be set to the same as mine. However, the new added goods mean that the compatch is still required. I'll add it to the description if you update it.

Bit of an update, have rebalanced the mod so that construction sectors only have 1000 employees, as in vanilla. Needed to change some construction good prices to get this balanced. Some other minor changes are visible in the change notes.

@Earl of Pudding thanks, wouldve done it myself but never did so so far

@Tetra I threw together a quick compatch, hopefully it meets your specifications. Enjoy. https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3522550911

I'm having spending fluctuating by the thousands each week. Is there any way to clamp down on that?

Could you make a compatibility patch or version of the mod that's compatible with Realms of Exether? RoE changes and adds some new Construction Sector PMs also it's a total overhaul so at minimum this mod would need a compatibilty patch to work.

@Tetra Will look into it when I have the chance

Yes, this should be 100% compatible with Grey's Smarter Private Construction

Would you happen to know if this is compatible to Greys smarter private construction?

Can there be a compatch for this with tech&res? If not, could you tell me how you can make such changes yourself? Because they use additional ressources like alloys, so it changes the game balance when using these recipes

The 1.9.6 beta should fix the gui bug, be sure to use that if you experience any issues with this mod.

Sadly does not work

If there's anyone having issues with not being able to set spending level and also has Community Mod Framework I moved this mod to the top of my load order and it seems to have solved it.

This mod sounds cool but I have no idea how to use it. How do I get more construction, where do I set the budget?

So a Update on the issue:
I got a event that needed my action and that forced a UI update and that fixed the greyed out buttons.

I've stumbled over the same button issue.
And adding a journal entry as a backup is a really good idea.
Not as fancy but alot harder for the game to F up.
Other wise, love the mod.
The private construction sector stuff is really annoying when the AI has and is spamming the sectors and just taking up massive amount's of workers.

Yeah it seems to be a bug with the game at the moment, I don't think I can do anything about it specifically, unfortunately. Other modders are having the same problem too. I'll look into adding a journal entry as a backup.

I see. I tried to load a few dozen times and I think I'm looking at 1/5 odds...

Okay, I've seen what you're talking about. It seems that occasionally, the game doesn't correctly load the gui changes for the mod. Restarting the game seems to fix it usually.

@Dingbat32 I've come to report the same issue. Opened new save as China. Otherwise compatible, but the arrows are missing. No other mods. (Also maybe for the future, may you add the button effect into decisions? In case of anything breaking the UI modification at any point in the future too.)

@DeLorean Did you do anything specific like play a releasable nation or load an old save that was made without the mod? There may be a bug I overlooked.

I don't have that option of selecting the percentage... Please advise what's happening?

Cool mod. The one thing I would say is its probably not necessary to have each tier be a different good. Consolidating would help with performance and tidiness

Compatible with 1.9