how would having fewer guns cause an increase in gun violence??

This is a great mod, and much needed! Libs are mad because it doesn't fit the ideology they been fed, lol. Some people are just indoctrinated and delusional like that xD

Neat! i I love this Trollpost of a mod, I think there should be more fantasy/joke mods like this for the game

Making all the values random and not grounded in reality, like this, sounds like a great fun idea!

I just think you need to make the various stages more Extreme on the randomization, instead of reverse of the real world

Now, you inspire me to make some other silly results to policies

Or just clowning policies

Clown Carpooling
Banana Peel Space Program Expansion
Clown Ratio education
Squeeky Hammer Military Funding
Bike Horn Technology
Balloon Animal Zoos

Thanks for the inspiration!

get rid of the violent crime rate tho, gun control has nothing to do with that good or bad. voilent crime is largely driven by culture and economic dualities

Good. CDC statistics have shown that defensive gun use is more common than crime use by orders of magnitude. Having lawful citizens armed only deters criminals, because they can defend themselves.
When seconds count, the cops are minutes away.

Finally something realistic!

Finally is realistic mod on gun control.

Killer of watermelons Sorry if the facts hurt your feelings but look at statistics in cities with less gun control compared to those with stricter gun laws. Cities with less gun control almost always have less crime! Look at Gun Free Cities like Chicago, Detroit, Etc... Maybe its time you stop listening to propaganda and start doing your own research. Of course you might just mean the mod sucks & I am assuming too much about you. IDK, but it does make sense when you put in real statistics. Just saying.

awesome...wish there were more mods like this

this mod makes no sense im not gonna subscribe to it

Thats only acurrate in the political spectrum of USA a Switzerland... ish. be awesome for a harcore going of the USA tho.

United States and Switzerland players rejoice!

Ok, I shall give it a try.

This mod is an extention of my second amendment.

I like this mod

I left my pistol on my kitchen counter and left. When I came home that day it hadnt committed any crimes? Not sure if we need gun control or stupid people control. To this day my gun has never committed any crimes. Maybe my gun is one of the good ones perhaps. ill keep you informed if my gun commits any violent crimes.

Is there a way to make it where it decreases violent crime less than before?

Absolutely. Mental health care in general is supremely terrible in the US. It's a huge issue that needs more attention, especially considering that I've only ever seen it brought up as a counter to gun control arguments. In the meantime, though, stricter mental health controls on firearms would be for the best, since I doubt we'll see any mental health reform any time soon.
But as long as we're enhancing mental health checks, which are a necessity, why should we NOT overhaul the entire system?

Hrolfgard

So shouldn't depression/suicidal thoughts be dealt with instead of targeting guns?

Utdream, that's 10 stories from a single source, my man. The real issue is the 21,000 people who die a year from gun suicide in the US alone, twice as many as die from gun homicide. Multiple studies have indicated that a whole lot fewer of those people would have died if guns were not available.
Now these aren't comprehensive sources, but you can see the results: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-ownership-and-use/

Next, there are many, many times when an armed good guy successfully fends off the bad guys - but I don't see you quantifying that in any of your totalitarian diatribes:
http://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2013/02/02/10-stories-that-prove-guns-save-lives-n1503549

When it comes down to it, I, and my logical, reasoning brothers who live out here in the real world, realize that freedon is worth protecting - especially the freedom to arm yourself and defend yourself from ANY who would do you harm. I'm truly sorry you can't see that, and I wish you all the best in your little Leftist bubble.

In all seriousness, why are you here? Why do you continue to post when you're obviously not convincing anyone about your point of view? If you're as intelligent as you're trying to sound, then you'd realize that I'm an eskimo, and I'm not buying your ice, no matter how hard you try to tell me your ice is better than what I can just pick up off the ground. (In case your intelligence didn't pick that one up, I used a metaphore there.)

Plenty of other devices are used when someone wants to murder someone else. Didn't you see that officer hacked to death in Britain by machetes and all the unarmed bystanders could do was watch? (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2329089/Woolwich-attack-Two-men-hack-soldier-wearing-Help-Heroes-T-shirt-death-machetes-suspected-terror-attack.html) Guns are outlawed in Britain, but guns are not needed if someone wants to kill you. Killers are going to kill. It is logically impossible to ban a weapon and expect killers not to kill.

> Fuck off. Final response.

lol - so, is that more posts I see by you there? No, you said "Final response." so... that must be someone else on the exact same soapbox impersonating you. Your opinions are FACT dad-gum it, and people better start taking you seroiusly or they'll be sorry!

> I'm not interested.

...and yet you just.... can't.... stop.... posting! Maybe that's just your totalitarian version of "tolorance" getting the best of you?? I'm sorry about that, friend. You probably just need to hear another Hillary Clinton speach and you'll be right as rain. =D

I'm not afraid of guns, @Donathan. I am simply not going to distort reality and evidence thereof in order to fit my personal predilections and beliefs. Doing so would precisely be illogical, and it is that precise behavior that fools like @utdream have demonstrated and jackasses like you support. To accuse me of being illogical, especially when I am the only one rigorously committed to facts, is laughable.

Go troll elsewhere. I'm not interested.

Haha, a person afraid of guns with some serious projection issues calling somebody else a retard?
That's fucking rich mate, you keep talking about metal penises like people load them with spunk to help themselves get off.

Get off your high horse you stupid illogical windbag, the only thing that ever stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, and the more trustworthy folk a nation has that can intervene and help out in their community when danger looms is not a bad thing.

I don't like the facts, yet you can't even identify them, @utdream? You're either a troll or mentally deficient. You have no argument, just namecalling and projecting the very behaviors you accuse me of demonstrating. Fuck off. Final response.

@Nøkkenbuer

ROFL, sad. Just like every other Leftist extremist, when you don't like the facts - even when they're right in front of you - you resort to playground namecalling. Even better, you hilariously believe calling someone a "constitutionalist" is a bad thing, lol. Fail.

"I have no interest in entertaining bullshit." o rly? 0.o Your wall of text says otherwise. ;) Time to grow up friend. You're welcome to join us in the real world whenever you're ready. It's nice out here!

Metal penises, oh boy I bet this will be nothing but rational and objective reasoning here, and not childish whining and sexual obsessions that would make Freud blush.

Welcome to capitalism, @utdream, where even scientific research is paywalled. If you don't like that being a fact of life, then perhaps you should oppose the system which produces such unsatisfactory results. In any case, I have no interest in unreviewed hack jobs whose dubious "research" lacked sufficient quality controls to qualify as a worthwhile scientific study:

http://www.snopes.com/harvard-flaw-review/

The very least you could do to prevent embarrassments like this in the future is to do what I just did: perform a Google search of the title of the "study" and check for peer reviews or criticisms of that "study". It took me only a few seconds to determine that the "study" you cited, irrespective of its full availability, was not a study, lacks peer review, and has been repeatedly criticized for shoddy methodology and unsubstantiated conclusions.

It was moreover authored by a right-wing constitutionalist who had no interest in concluding that the precious metal penises he so rabidly defends might be costing countless lives (and thus be a danger to the Republic).

Please keep your peurile aversion to facts and reality to yourself. Those of us who actually use reason and common sense prefer to live in a reality-based world.

P.S. – My positions are categorically antithetical to totalitarianism. The cryptofascistic state we currently live in, and the advanced capitalism under which we all struggle, is the totalitarian culprit that borderline retards such as yourself ignore in favor of blaming this or that group or actor. If anyone here is the supporter of totalitarianism, it's traitorous class cuckolds like you.

@Nøkkenbuer

That's neat that you link studies that you can only read the conclusions of. Here's a study (also done by Harvard) that says the exact opposite of what you're claiming:

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

Since you obviously can't be bothered to read anything other than the conclusion, let me sum it up for you:

“While American gun ownership is quite high, many other developed nations (e.g., Norway, Finland, Germany, France, Denmark) have high rates of gun ownership. These countries, however, have murder rates as low or lower than many developed nations in which gun ownership is much rarer. For example, Luxembourg, where handguns are totally banned and ownership of any kind of gun is minimal, had a murder rate nine times higher than Germany in 2002.”

Please keep your totalitarian leftism to yourself. Those of us who actually use reason and common sense prefer freedom.

@Mil

And that,my friend, is why the US has the largest militia in the world.

I think the Taliban and the IRA would disagree nokken

If that "law" you're referring to is Amendment II of the U.S. Constitution, @miloofcroton, then I question whether you truly understand the world we live in. The forcible seizure of the state is no longer possible with the advent of modern military technology. Not only are the citizens outgunned and outmatched, but the state now has the capacity to scorch and irradiate the very earth under which any citizen army might march.

The concept of mere rifles and handguns being sufficient to arm a revolution died a laughable death upon the invention of armored tanks, machine guns, ICBMs, and stealth bombers. Any successful revolution now necessitates support from the masses of military personnel. Otherwise, they will mow down any resistance with a patriotic fervor reminicent of a Crusader's zeal.

So no, resisting a corrupt government is no longer a valid excuse for the ownership of firearms, anymore than does the development of modern military technology entail that every citizen be legally permitted to own an armored vehicle or ICBM in accordance with a vague amendment in an antiquated two-and-a-quarter hundred year old document.

@Nøkkenbuer

The law is not in place to help law enforcement. The law is a grander, more basic fail-safe for much larger potential problems, namely a totalitarian takeover by our government or an invasion by another government. Secondly, a sharp economic downturn and a gang-infested area would critically need self-defense weapons for protection, without much help from police. Thirdly, then you can talk about everyday murder rates and whether gun ownership helps or hurts it.

@ultdream, no. Research like this:

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301409
http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/20/6/424.abstract?sid=30a4f9cc-d92f-4a89-812d-087d1404c7b3
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/

Spare me your tired talking points. I have no interest in entertaining bullshit. And by the way, I'm literally the furthest from Nazism that is theoretically possible in politics, economics, and social issues. The Nazis, meanwhile, were quite supportive of gun ownership for "Aryans". Keep your ignorance to yourself, since it's highly contagious.

I think it would be more accurate for draconian gun laws to trigger a "Black Market Guns" type crisis that increases violent crime rather than directly lead to violent crime. So far as reversing the liberals opinion, that is inaccurate, this game uses the classical definitions of conservative and liberal rather than the way they're used in American politics.

Statistics does show that strict gun control and less gun ownership reduce violent crime in pretty much all countries though the ammount can often be a bit exaggerated. One must remember to not confuse this with the many "compromise solutions" one can see enacted in countries with liberal access to guns (such as the US) that often are very innefficient, certain gun-free areas or similar does nothing to actually stop the violent crimes. If you want to balance it out I suppose you could add in economical benefits to less-strict control due to gun-manufacturers having an easier time selling and gun-stores popping up (or closing down respectively).

That seems a bit pointless to me.

American conservatives tend to like the point that having a gun allows them to defend themselves. From who you ask? From their fellow Americans with guns.

I guess Europeans and Democrats, indoctrinated with the philosophy that "the state knows best" wouldn't have a clue why they would need to defend themselves, but calling that short-sighted would be an understatement.

You know that gun rights are not about crime control, right? Don't get me wrong, studies show that gun ownership reduces crime, but that is not why we have the 2nd amendment. We have the 2nd amendment to give citizens a right to defend themselves against enemies foreign and domestic.

Liberals are against gun control. You are thinking of American politics. In this game they are seen as Libertarians, or classic liberals :)

And the U.K. isn't on that list.

By the way liberals are against gun control. Liberalism in the Democracy games refer to the European definition of liberalism, not the American definition. The Liberalism you are thinking of is called Socialism in the game.

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/

In the UK, where they are totally banned there is no mass shootings (Shocker, I know)

So many liberals in the comments. Riddle me this: why do most gun crimes happen in areas with the highest gun control?

They do, do they? I've got a few hundred resources which were properly conducted that say otherwise. https://www.gunowners.org/pdf/2014gunfacts.pdf