Just need a different player colour. Gg

Anyone else get quite a bit of lag when starting this map up? I have quite a beefy rig, but it was almost unplayable when I loaded it.

Not bad!

3Q boss

DAOWAce try using oculous or outposts plus the construction ritual

Too many entities might be it yeah (depending on specs), but waiting 3 hours or something like that before attacking would probably impact performance heavly. Enemies multiplies slowly. Performance impacts stability, which makes the game confused about tile stats. My theory anyway.

The horrid performance eventually went away as I started clearing out the fortress of enemies. Thought it was pathfinding of my creatures.. may have been pathfinding of -everything-, or just too many entities in general; no idea, but I had to do a doubletake when it eventually just cleared up.

Did find another issue though, there's no way to get to this area: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1765151637

Not sure if high level workers can teleport through a gap.. mine died because they're idiots.

If you wanna poke around with the save file to see how bad things got: https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rgv9kkz84u16kd/baldiak%20performance%20and%20unclaim%20bug.rar?dl=1

Just set a rally point of all minions anywhere you want on the map, the framerate will faceplant into the bowels of the earth. Also lets you check out the unclaimable tile issue to debug yourself to see if it's an issue with your map or the game itself.

That's on the engine side of things, so not much I can do from my end other then rebuild the map with less stuff. The bug might be related to the outpost that is there.

Seems only 2 others mentioned it, but for some reason, the performance with this map is absolutely atrocious with the more land you uncover (and I'm a prophecy spell lover).

When you try to rally units, the game will drop into the teens in framerate, if not single digits. I can only assume it's due to the huge amount of pathfinding that has to go on with the layout of the map, but not much can really be done to wall off paths as there's multiple land pathways that need to be open, and a huge chunk of open space for flying units to navigate.

But, this game's problem of revealing things leading to a massive crawl in performance is its #1 unresolved problem.. and unfortunately this map amplifies it to the extreme.

I'm only pushing through due to the preservation of wanting to finish it, but boy is it really hard.

Oh, and one bug report: https://steamhost.cn/steamcommunity_com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764964230

spent 4 and a half hours on this map and loved all of it. Damn good job!

Don't think arena should bug out more on this map more then others, but I have seen shadows and imps that blinks around struggeling around the dungeon core. Due to the edges I guess.

Running OK for me but my minions keep gathering (getting stuck) in my Arena. Not sure if that is a game glitch or not.
(The arena is 6x6 if that's making a difference?)

Thanks for all your work

Loaded up the map, run just fine with me.

With newest map and patch? As in showing in menu v2.2

Loading the map currently crashes the game for me, with the error message:

"Argument is out of range, Parameter name: Index".

This level is interesting the urge to explore is reminiscent of the Orignal DK levels.
I'm 1/3rd through the map atm.

I think steam will not autoupdate your version if you got an old save with the map, but desubbing and subscribing again should work. Otherwise delete old the old saves perhaps.

Stupid question, then: as I am subscribed to this version, how do I make it update (since it doesn't do it automatically)? Unsubcribe/re-subscribe?

(I'd have run a secondary check myself, but I only had about an hour to play last night, so I went and started Icey Peak instead!)

Yup I played it just fine 10 mins, you just got an outdated version.

I will check it out, might be a patch that broke it. Make sure you have latest version.

Um... Started the map on the latest patch and it abruptly won itself after about five minutes. No mcclue what happened, it suddenly just scrolled over blackness (I thought the game had hung for a moment) and then it went to the Win screen.

So, I'll er, take a pass on this one for the immediate moment - and ideas...?

thanks, it's will be good

Removed them in version 2.2

Must be something they changed that causes empire units to anger by default, tought it only happens if you gave them a heart or dungeon core. Or they changed the handplaced spectral knights to go berserk, wasn't a problem before... Guess I might as well delete those spectral knights since they was ultimately some fluff with the Inhibitor.

bug in this map. 4 knights in room with enemy Stone destroyed it himself after 2 hours playing. Because they are angry.

No problem, I always try to keep my scenario maps updated and bug free.
Anyway Wfto/steam seems to remeber if you have completed the map in the past, or at least after lastest/current expansion or big patch. So that isn't a sure way to see if you got right version, but I don't know how it interacts with desubscring and subscribing again. Would assume it reset it.

Must be something like that - only worse: deleted all saved instances of TFoB, deleted all my legacy saved games, unsubscribed TFoB, closed WftO and Steam, opened Steam, subscribed again, started WftO ("A new map has been downloaded..."), to no avail: I always got/will get 2.0, bc the crashed game counts as "finished". There seems to be no way to reset the status, the check mark is always *set*. So I'm at a loss THX for your help anyway

Just a theory, maybe steam is holding on to old version if you got recent saves with v2?

Steam doesn't load the updated version...

Hm, "Authored Version: 2.0".

Not able to recreate the problem, sure you got newest map? Steam downloaded updated version? Title in game doesn't have version number with 2.1 and description don't have 2.1 text like I got on the page, only 2.0

@ Shocky: Sorry to say: nope. Started from scratch, but the game still freezes/crashes at the same time (4:30, slow play) as before. [NB: Played "Demonic Parc" and "The Great Wall" without technical problems, so it's not the HW.]

...and done. Should be better now @rmw

I have actually learned of couple of neat tricks with scripting that should fix the work load of the map recently, but have not gotten around to implement them into this since figured it out.
I can set monsters of AIs to pause if you have not seen them in the last 5-6 seconds and thus pause their behaviour. In maps where the npcs are guards and hang around bases they are pretty much perfect to use for this. So will get on it now to implement.

Hate to say that (love(d) the map): there are still serious issues. When I started playing the map (again) shortly after the release of the patch, the game froze and crashed with a score of about 23k. Now it freezes and crashes with a score of 230k when trying to add changes to the dungeon. Haven't even started my final assault on the fortress...

Cheers for all praise, motivates me to make more maps :)

Awesome to see this classic returning for a second shot! :)

Tested it past 5mins and checked if inhibitor destruction triggered the quest. So it should be fixed now !

NP, thank you for checking my map out with V2 so I can get around fixxing it. :)

Thanks for your time looking into this!

So I need to put scripts for quests, which is a really strange requirement to be forced on since earliere versions of V2 it worked just fine.

Wait....thought a updated map would be enough to fix it. Wasn't.

Thank you! Will try it.

Should work now, but there are no new fancy scripts in this map (enough content as it's). Future maps from me will contain them of course!

Got a fixed version laying around, will see if it's still fixed before I upload the map.

Sadly not working with the new version since it finishes automatically after 5 minutes.

COOL

nice map dude

Updated! I was however hoping to add this update as a seperate map. Long live limitations of editor and steam upload bit.

Wow get's very laggy after you uncovered like half the map (so much I stopped playing), shame, it's really nicely done :(