Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

Total War: ROME II - Emperor Edition

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Mr.l 21 Nov, 2021 @ 5:31am
DEI: how much does the AI actually cheats?
In vanilla i know that Ai gets bonus according to game difficulty, but to me it never seemed much, after beating 2 armies on normal the AI rarerly could get a 3rd in time to stop me before i did damage to his provinces.
i downloaded DEI cause people said it would make the game more difficoult in a good way, and it is, but the problem is that i am getting warhammer vibes, where AI had so many bonuses it would make the game ridicoulous.

i had defeated 3-4 roman armies as chartage almost annihilating them, but they had 2 more coming, while being at war with other 2 factions (4 considering my client states)
also they had an excessive pubblic order of plus 24 per turn, wich is a lot considering the mod, and also considering that such province was disputed by me.

so i just wanted to know how many bonuses is the AI getting.
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carthagefan 27 Dec, 2021 @ 7:47pm 
if I remember correctly Rome gets special bonus armies so that they dont just roll over and die
sti10brigade 2 Jan, 2022 @ 10:44am 
Like the real punic wars
Mr.l 4 Jan, 2022 @ 2:09pm 
yes i know but if rome can replace entire armies faster than me replacing single losses it kinda turns out annoying.
DoktorFar 4 Jan, 2022 @ 4:04pm 
Originally posted by Mr.l:
yes i know but if rome can replace entire armies faster than me replacing single losses it kinda turns out annoying.

Hannibal agrees ;)
BRAN MAC BORN 41 22 Jan, 2022 @ 1:29am 
They have background scripts that spawn armies.
Alf Stewart 24 Jan, 2022 @ 3:02pm 
get good. rome 2 on legendary is an easy game compared to other titles. try an ambush or marching another army to reinforce.
Mr.l 25 Jan, 2022 @ 7:26am 
i don't need to get good.
i've played Imperivm, a game where the AI didn't need cheats to beat the player, that was the purest form of strategy, it's 20 years that i am searching for a similar game and i've yet to find one that is even remotely similar in quality.

as i said before IF the enemy is capable of creating armies faster than me replacing single losses than the problem is not me not being "good", cause as i said, i exterminated 4 armies or so, but it's a game, in this case mod dynamic problem.

spamming armies to compensate for the lack of skill from the AI is not strategy, that's the problem that i have with it.


it gets just like warhammer.

true strategy is like chess.

while warhammer and DEI are like chess, but you have only a queen while the enemy has a full stack of just footmen.

at the 4th battle i was forced to evacuate the army, losing the territories that i had gained from southern italy.
i fought 4 or so battles without getting a single soldier replenished despite the fact that i was in one of my provinces.
Last edited by Mr.l; 25 Jan, 2022 @ 7:29am
Mr.l 25 Jan, 2022 @ 7:33am 
what i mean is that i am getting the same cheesing vibe from warhammer, and i don't like it.
DoktorFar 25 Jan, 2022 @ 6:53pm 
Originally posted by Mr.l:
at the 4th battle i was forced to evacuate the army, losing the territories that i had gained from southern italy.

i fought 4 or so battles without getting a single soldier replenished despite the fact that i was in one of my provinces.

I know this has been mentioned earlier here, but isnt this exactly the point? I can imagine Hannibal saying your exact same words with the exact same amount of frustration. From my understanding they defeated like 200.000 roman soldiers in his "little" trip through Italy?? Yet Rome just kept raising ("spawning") more armies.

How would Cathaginians keep replenishing their troops in Italy without reinforcements from Carthage?`I think the problem you ran into with not being able to replenish your troops fast enough feels plausible and gives interesting realistic challenge. You conquered provinces yeah, but their populations aren't much your own so you can't recruit much for your units. This is a theme throughout the mod by the way, but really amplified when going up against Rome with their spawning armies (as it should be imo, Rome is kinda the mega boss to defeat for Carthage). Im sure if your losses would be much faster replenished had your armies been chillin in Carthage instead, where your own population is numerous.

But these points aside, the AI's abilities (or lack thereof) is hardcoded into the game, there isnt really anything the DEI team can do to change that. What they can do is either boosting the AI (giving the AI cheats, like extra armies for example) and/or the other option to create additional strategic and tactical layers for the player to work out; like population and replenishment and supplies. Both of these challenges you faced and ultimately is what brought about your doom.

So what all this means is for your next Punic War, bring more armies, more supplies, and fortify and dig in your conquered provinces for longer to create a stronger foothold. And/or save up a ton of gold and hire a ton of mercenaries to give you that edge to finally crush those silly Romans. That is kind of stuff that I would try to do anyway.
Last edited by DoktorFar; 25 Jan, 2022 @ 7:11pm
Mr.l 26 Jan, 2022 @ 7:12am 
yea that's true too...
DoktorFar 26 Jan, 2022 @ 4:59pm 
Iirc I think there's a submod that lets you recruit a settler type unit, that you can bring with your armies and then disband in the region it is in, that then frees up a bunch of population to recruit.

Also iirc there's a submod that disables population replenishing stuff alttogether.
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