Total War: WARHAMMER III

Total War: WARHAMMER III

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SWO-RD - Sieges rework and diversity
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SWO-RD - Sieges rework and diversity

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Description
Siege rework : every race has its own damage/HP/speed for walls, towers, siege engine... The Towers use projectile similar to regular units. And other changes listed below!
Part of SWO-RD, standalone module


DOCUMENTATION
The documentation of all the mods part of SWO-RD is available here as a PDF document[drive.google.com].

Race specific models for placeable towers are all done by All Is Dust from Distinct Faction Towers. All Is Dust kindly allowed me to integrate them in SWO-RD siege to avoid compatibility issues since we are editing the same table. Do not enable Distinct Faction Towers with SWO-RD siege.

There are a few things in the vanilla game that are feeling wrong:

• A Cathay cannon can destroy, before running out of ammo (22), 10-12 towers (two ammo to destroy one tower) at rank 1, or 8 segments of walls. So a single artillery unit can do a LOT of damage, wiping all the towers on one side, and breaching the walls. That’s too much for a single artillery unit.
• In the same way, a battering ram can destroy a gate in only two swings. That doesn’t feel right
• Even the base tower can fire arrow projectiles at a range of 350, a lot more than the regular weapons. There is little room for attacker to stay safe and bombard the city defences. Low level towers fire only a few shots, but with a range and damage which doesn’t match the base range weapons of the army.
• The races all have similar equipment, walls, and towers. Same HP, same damage, same speed, same costs… Except visually, there’s no difference, it doesn’t show well enough the race variety.


SWORD brings the following changes to try to improve the siege.

• Attrition for siege will start after 2 turns instead of 0. 4 turns for a port. This was not workign pre IE, please report if it works with IE.
• When attacking a minor settlements, there is a 40% chance the AI decides to sally out, and fight a land battle instead of a fight in the city (except for port).
• Units get more fatigue when Climbing ladder or wall. Climbing speed almost halved.
• Units on wall reload faster.
• Weapon building damage has been reduced. Spears do very little, swords, fangs, claws are not efficient. Axes, and Hammers, especially great weapons, keep normal damage. The large monsters also keep normal damages.
• Siege engines are built twice faster (they require half the Siege Effort Cost).
• Siege towers have a base 8,000 HP instead of 12,000. Battering ram 10,000 HP instead of 16,000. They are easier to destroy, but since you can have more, it makes more dynamic siege battle. Battering ram base damage has been reduced from 3,000 to 1,500. The stats (HP and speed) vary a little with each race (see table next page)
• Towers now have a base HP of 11,000 instead of 7,500. Walls have 12,000 instead of 8,000. Gates have 9,000 HP instead of 6,000 HP. However, each race has now different HP (see table next page). The more “sturdy looking” stone towers have more than a fragile wood tower. The HP also increase a bit with the level of the tower.
• Towers have a 140° firing arc: they can fire on their side and cover each other.
• The range and damage of the towers has been modified (see table). Instead of having a kind of generic weapon tower with similar stats, for every race, the projectiles are now based on missile weapons used by this race, with some changes (+20% range, marksmanship and reload bonus, + 100 % damage for level 1-2, +50% for level 3-4, number of bursts increased).
• Placeable towers now have race specific models and textures, with two different models, one for tower tier 1 and 2, another for tier 3 and 4.
• Deployable cost less, so you have more at the start of the battle. However, you get new supply points twice slower. The building time for tower is longer, meaning it will be harder to deploy new tower mid battle. Other deployable building time is the same.
• Abilities:
o +25% range on wall, +15% on plateforme (instead of +20% on both), 20% missile resistance on wall instead of 10%, +10% on plateform (instead of 0), and ammo replenishment (0,1 on plateform, 0,2 on wall)
o Traps reduce speed by 35% instead of 15%, and give 10% vulnerability to missile, and -15% MD. They also reduce the charge bonus by 50%
o Monument gives +15 leadership instead of +10. They also give a small healing (twice stronger for unded and nurgle).


With these changes:

• A cannon could destroy only 7-8 towers or 5-6 walls (or 3 towers 3 and walls) before running out of ammo. A single artillery can still destroy towers and breach a section of wall, but not the whole side of a city. You’d need two artillery units for that.
• A ram would need 6 swings to destroy a gate (average, it varies with each race).
• Since low level towers have a reduced range, the attacker can stay out of range of the weakest towers to bombard the city defences. But with improved towers, this can be a lot more dangerous. A single artillery unit can safely neutralize one section of wall / tower for low level city. At higher level, it requires more artillery since the wall are a bit stronger, and the artillery can counter fire. Especially with a larger firing arc!
• Each race has different towers and siege equipment, matching the normal range weapons of the army (missile infantry, or artillery). Some are sturdy and slow, some are fragile and fast, some are good, some are bad…



I mod for free and will always keep it this way. But an extensive mod means hundreds of hours spent modding! If you want to show your appreciation, a small token is always welcome.

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303 Comments
stephane.f.david  [author] 4 Nov, 2024 @ 8:12pm 
Ladders are not editable. Unbreakable gate wouldn't work, you couldn't destroy them with a ram.
You could try editing the meleee weapon table, and set the building damage multiplier to 0.
Eisen 4 Nov, 2024 @ 6:58am 
In my current campaign, Settra and a Tomb Prince in a chariot, were able to break the gate before the second. I think gates should be unbreakable, since attacking them comes without risk. There's no rock throwing or hot oil pouring like in other Total Wars. The ladders also should not exists. Almost ten years and CA has done nothing to fix the sieges. All they do is orthogonal to the problems we have.
How can I edit that table?
stephane.f.david  [author] 3 Nov, 2024 @ 11:50pm 
With 5.3 update, the damage to building has been reduced even further for most weapons.
- 0.05 : whip, fangs, claws for small monsters.
- 0.1 : Spears, staff, daggers.
- 0.25 : Halberd, Swords, Chariots.
- 0.5 : Medium size Monsters, some hero and lords with larger weapons.
- 0,5: Small Axes, and Hammers, some smaller monsters
- 0,75; Great Axes and Hammer, medium monsters
- 1.0 : The large monsters keep normal damages.
- 1.25: Very large monsters.
- 1.5 : Specialized weapons (warpgrinder, miners’s pickaxe).
stephane.f.david  [author] 3 Nov, 2024 @ 7:51am 
you can reduce the damage to get even more. In melee_weapons table
Eisen 2 Nov, 2024 @ 10:13pm 
Is there any way of making normal units, including LL, do negligible damage to gates? Even with this, any hero or lord can smash the gates in no time. Battering rams are still pointless. Great mod, by the way.
stephane.f.david  [author] 31 Oct, 2024 @ 9:22pm 
Edit the building_effect_junctions table
Eisen 31 Oct, 2024 @ 2:11pm 
How can I use this mod, which I think is great, but not have the minor settlement battles all the time?
stephane.f.david  [author] 7 Oct, 2024 @ 7:43am 
I don't think it can conflict enough to crash. Unless SFO data cored some tables, and some vanilla references no longer exists. But it has good chances tthat some changes are overriden.
Davi 7 Oct, 2024 @ 7:13am 
ok thanks. your mod is in a sfo collection which im trying out so maybe it is compatible or has some sort of patch for it.
stephane.f.david  [author] 7 Oct, 2024 @ 7:08am 
Then it has a lot of reasons not to be compatible... I don't use SFO and never tested it.